Updated at 4:17 p.m.
Victoryfund.org: Audio recording from speech by Oklahoma State Rep. Sally Kern
Here are a few quotes from Rep. Kern’s hateful speech…
Studies show, no society that has totally embraced homosexuality has lasted for more than, you know, a few decades. . .
I honestly think it’s the biggest threat our nation has, even more so than terrorism or Islam. . .
They want to get them into the government schools so they can indoctrinate them . . . They are going after our young children, as young as two years of age, to try to teach them that the homosexual lifestyle is an acceptable lifestyle.
You know, Gays are infiltrating city councils. . . Did you know that the city council of Eureka Springs is now controlled by gays? . .
. They are winning elections.
We have the gay-straight alliance coming into our schools. . .
One of my colleagues said We don’t have a gay problem in our community… well you know what, that is so dumb. If you have cancer in your little toe, do you just say that I’m going to forget about it since the rest of you is fine? It spreads! This stuff is deadly and it is spreading. It will destroy our young people and it will destroy this nation.
This is why it is critical that folks speak out against gay hate speech. Sure Rep. Sally Kern has the right to be hateful and to say hateful things (as long as she doesn’t threaten people), but she doesn’t have the right to stay in the legislature. The people have got to speak up and vote her out of office, or better yet the legislature should impeach her and remove her from office. I see this as being no different than a state legislator coming out of the closet as a rabid racist and supporter of the KKK.
It must be made clear that it is wrong to refer to people made in the Image of God, as being a “cancer”, as being “worse than the terrorists or Islam” (and let’s not attack Muslim people either, but I guess Rep. Kern is a bigot in more than one way). This kind of speech is SICK AND WRONG.
I would encourage folks to call Ms. Kern and let her know that hate is not an Oklahoma value (and for that matter isn’t a Christian value either).
Her contact info (taken from the OK state house website) is:
(405) 557-7348
sallykern@okhouse.gov
2713 Sterling Ave., Oklahoma City, OK 73127
Updated at 4:17 p.m.: Oh boy, I forgot that Sally Kern was the same person who also wanted to mandate the creation of a “State Library Material Content Advisory Board” that would keep pro-gay books out of the hands of children. (thanks to Dustbury.com for this link
Don’t worry though. According to the Dustbury story from 2006, Kern insists that “I’m not a Nazi. I believe in free speech. But for every right we have, there is a responsibility.”
Yeah right. I think Hitler would have loved her anti-gay speech. He loved to scapegoat folks too
Hooray for Sally Kern for telling the truth.
Ms Kerns’s comments are NOT hate speech but merely the truth that society continues to ignore at our collective peril. The demise of the Romans and the Greeks a millenium or two ago attests to this. Whether she has exact facts from the Bible is irrelevant – the facts are in the study of history which we may be doomed to repeat. Those that think she is not speaking in the public interest are deluding themselves to maintain an agenda in their own self-interest. And – she is being contacted to tell her she is correct on this issue.
THIS JUST MAKES ME SOOOO SICK THAT PEOPLE REALLY THINK LIKE THIS. I AM SOOO HURT!!!! IGNORANCE REALLY DOES LIVE!!!
Ridiculous. Her vague historical assertions make no sense at all and hold no water with anyone even *slightly* familiar with their history books. She’s an old-school, ignorant bigot, and it’s our job to educate her. Send her an email letting her know how *completely* unacceptable her hate-speech is at sallykern@okhouse.gov. I pay the same taxes as everyone else; how dare you treat me as a second-class citizen?
“They want to get them into the government schools so they can indoctrinate them . . . They are going after our young children, as young as two years of age, to try to teach them that the homosexual lifestyle is an acceptable lifestyle.
You know, Gays are infiltrating city councils. . . Did you know that the city council of Eureka Springs is now controlled by gays? . .”
Oh yeah, that’s Biblical sound (eyes rolling.) If a racist pointed out the HIV rate in the African-American or distorted the number of black men in prisons to make the claim that black people are inferior, we would be (justifiably) up in arms.
But because she can hide her lies behind the Bible, Rep. Kerns seems to have some support.
Hiding behind the Bible is NO EXCUSE for lies and propaganda not matter what ANYONE thinks it says about homosexuality.
In response to X’s statement: ”
Ms Kerns’s comments are NOT hate speech but merely the truth that society continues to ignore at our collective peril. The demise of the Romans and the Greeks a millenium or two ago attests to this. . .”
I’m curious what history book you got this from. This is a very interesting hypothesis. I don’t ever recall reading that the fall of the Greek and Roman empires had anything to do with homosexuality.
those of you who are defending the representative’s statements are simply ignorant (as is she). people in this country, and especially Oklahoma, should be ashamed that such an uneducated, misinformed, and irresponsible person has been elected to a public office.
and I’m pretty sure Greek and Roman civilizations lasted longer than “you know, a few decades”.
these comments are not based on facts, so there’s no point in trying to counter them from an intellectual standpoint. it’s just sad, sad people who need to blame somebody, anybody for whatever’s wrong in theit lives. The Nazi Germany analogy was perfect.
this woman is a lunatic.
who gives a **** what the bible says?
it’s about wrong and right.
and this idiot is certainly wrong.
I wonder if she realizes her words sound eerily familiar and echo sentiments from men who opposed womens right to vote at the turn of the century…
I do feel badly for her – she has kept her true beliefs silent and hidden until now, and for good reason – America’s collective view have changed, and hers hasn’t. Her time for change is now.
“Death comes equally to us all, and makes us all equal when it comes.”
Also, in reply to Mortimer Pernsquat’s statement:
“Ms Kerns’s comments are NOT hate speech but merely the truth that society continues to ignore at our collective peril. The demise of the Romans and the Greeks a millenium or two ago attests to this. . .”
You sir or madam, must have the education and higher reasoning skills of a poorly trained chimp. If you’re a religiously motivated bigot, or uncomfortable enough with your own sexuality that you have to attack that of others, then just say it; don’t try and cite historical precedence when you lack the applicable level of intelligence.
The Classic-era empires did not fall due to homosexuality (in fact did you know that Roman politic corruption and tyranny played a large part in its fall?sound familiar – *cough* Republican bigots). Also, not all Grecian societies embraced homosexual behavior.
Besides, merely pointing out a common feature between two things doesn’t justify that as the means to their end. Therefore, your statement is childish and doesn’t stand up against simple, logical argument.
For instance, I could say that togas were the downfall of these empires, since they were worn extensively by both cultures. One can also see evidence of this in “Animal House”, a film in which a “toga party” leads to the demise of a college fraternity.
Long story short, you’re an idiot, I’m surprised you figured out how to type.
Welcome to America, kids. Not only do you have to hide who you are and your sexuality , you DEFINITELY not aloud to ever talk about it, or write about it.
My favorite part about her speech is when she talks about cancer in your toe and the fact that cancer spreads. I guess it had just passed me by that the GAY is a disease that is contagious and transmittable.
OF COURSE also, all gay people are also child molesters. Because i’m straight, every little boy I see is attractive? No. So why would little boys be attractive to gay men?
THIS IGNORANCE IS WHAT WILL BE THE DEMISE OF OUR COUNTRY.
I am made sick to my stomach realizing that this woman is a rep for Oklahoma, much less our country.
Hi, this is Rena, another Oklahoma progressive blogger, and I do admin work here at James’ blog. I just want to add a welcome to those readers who are coming over from Pam’s House Blend and Exgaywatch blog (and maybe others).
Please know that while there is way too much bigotry in our state, and it’s way over-represented by our elected officials, there are a lot of progressives here too.
We have thriving Peace Houses in both Oklahoma City and Tulsa, a GI Rights Hotline, many other peace and justice groups, and also some elected folks who are openly gay, like Corporation Commissioner Jim Roth, or openly pro-gay, like state Senator Andrew Rice.
Some links to OK’s left:
http://www.peacehouseok.org
http://www.peacehousetulsa.org
http://www.okimc.org
http://www.okgirightshotline.org
http://www.blueoklahoma.org
Gay Oklahoma:
http://www.okeq.org/
http://www.okstonewall.org/forums/
http://www.gayokc.com/
http://www.news9.com/Global/story.asp?S=7984204
News9.com: Conference attendees react to anti-gay comments
(thanks go to http://www.pamshouseblend.com/showDiary.do;jsessionid=BEEB675CD30AFEF0F14FE8C51C5A1969?diaryId=4711 for this link)
Here’s a response that Kern allegedly wrote to someone who who wrote her about the speech…
http://www.pamshouseblend.com/viewRating.do?rateCommentId=50899
So if ugliness would spread, can we get rid of her?
Three little words describe Sally Kern: [Obscenity deleted by admin — anger understandable, but responding to it with more ugly offensive and oppressive language is not appreciated here.]
” My talk was to a Republican group and I was speaking about the homosexual agenda to defeat conservative Republicans. They want to silence anyone who does not approve their lifestyle. They want their freedom but don’t want those who disagree to have their freedom.”
this was in the alleged letter from the post #18.
Funny how she’s talking about the “homosexual agenda” to silence conservative Republicans, when obviously she’s trying to do the same to LGBQT community.
[More obscene and sexist language removed by admin.]
It’s about time someone stood up for what is right. If it were natural to be gay then why don’t gay people give birth with their acts. Anyone who believes in God and His Word knows this is wrong. The rest will answer some day for themselves.
“then why don’t gay people give birth with their acts?” In many ways we do. The GLBT community has “given birth” to some of the most gifted artists, musicians, and some of the worlds most powerful leaders (i.e. Alexander the Great). Another way we “give birth” is by adopting children (where it’s PERMITTED) that were abandoned and rejected by their families and society–HETEROSEXUAL SOCIETY, that is. Maybe God created Gay people and Straight people to live together in harmony–helping each other, not hurting.
Isn’t it interesting thet Rep. Kern is being crucified for what she said (and believes) and yet everyone of us is doing the same – saying what we believe. Isn’t that what America is all about – saying what we believe? Are we all suppose to agree with one another? Can we not agree to disagree without the bad language?
This woman would play great in Iran…lets send her there.
****ING *****!!
I believe in freedom of speech, I also believe that to hold office one should exercise restraint . This woman is not fit for office.
well she’s right. societies do dissolve. doors open up and societies go boom. that’s the whole idea. social evolution. permissiveness destroys societies. that’s what it’s supposed to do. the society created by our kids should be better than the one made by our parents. etc etc.
She’s entitled to say what she wants to say but that doesn’t necessarily mean that its smart. I don’t believe that people NEED to be tolerant but I do believe they should. One’s preference is not a reflection of their character. I’m sure we all know of a straight jerk and a sweet homosexual person. Its unfortunate that the people we put in charge to run our nation can be so close minded and hateful. I think that’s the more heartbreaking reality. Its disgusting how a large group of people left England to escape religious intolerance only to come to another land and do the exact same thing and then hide behind the Bible and use it as a sort of justification. People need to realize that just because a man loves another man and a woman loves another woman doesn’t mean they’re not people either.
Also, what happened to that defined separation between church and state. I think that needs to be reinforced so those we entrust to run this country can determine what to do without getting blinded by their own personal agenda and beliefs.
And someone needs to take a refresher course in world history. This country is getting stupider and stupider every day. I’m almost afraid for tomorrow. The Greek and Roman Empires lasted for years and did not fall because of homosexuality. I think anyone running for any office should be placed on that “Smarter than a fifth grader” or whatever that show is called. If you can’t outsmart a fifth grader then you are certainly not fit to be in office.
Wow! Some of you are just as stupid as she is. It’s amazing that people are actually defending what she said based on free speech. She can say whatever hateful crap she wants behind closed doors but not when you are a representative of your state and the people in it. She should be fired! By the way, some of you haters need to go out into the real world where diversity exists. I know it’s easy to hate from your tiny towns where you all look and sound the same, but it’s really pathetic, grow up.
This is one of the saddest things I’ve ever heard. And to think she’s active in politics. I hope she realizes how many people were affected by her anti-gay rant. She is a terrible person and should not be in office. Oklahoma, I hope you let Sally know she’s an embarassment to your state.
Hate is a Christians family value. Thank you for reminding all Americans. It’s sad when our country has to hear unintelligent, bigoted hicks come out and spread hate crimes against fellow Americans!
Just when I think our political leaders have gone as low as they can and made Oklahoma look like a refuge fo pea-brained idiot hicks, Ms Kerns goes about 10 steps lower.
On the other hand I have been proved wrong. I though W and Cheney were the worst government leaders of my lifetime. Ms K has shown she is worse.
It is very sad and unfortunate that the United States has a person of this caliber as a representative for the American people. We hear about Islamic extremists and terrorists on the news and from the current administration on a daily basis which has created fear, hate, war and many negative feelings. We should be equally concerned about people like Sally Kern who advocates hate and disregard for people that she does not understand. She can practice whatever wacky religion she wants but has no right to dictate to the American people her twisted beliefs. Whatever happened to ‘SEPARATION OF STATE AND RELIGION’?? MS KERN, HOMOSEXUALITY IS NOT THE PROBLEM – YOU ARE THE PROBLEM!!!!
she spoke the truth! people should leave her alone!
The sad thing isn’t just that Sally believes this way, it’s that so many, if not most, in her district feel the exact same way. I have no doubt that Sally is now insulating herself with like-minded people from her church and community. She will learn nothing from all of this.
It’s obvious that most on this site embrace only their own ideals. “Hate is a Christian value”? Where did that come from. Facts on the Bible do not constitute hate. Who said anything about hating someone? I’ve heard disagreement but not hate. I don’t agree with a lot of things, but I don’t hate everything. And a woman and a man make a birth happen, sorry. Yes there are many heterosexuals that don’t deserve having kids, I agree with you on that. We disagree on this issue but I hate no one. I respect your opinion and would hope you would do the same. And for sending her to Iran, try pushing this argument over there and you won’t get an argument, they are very less tolerant. Everyone has the right to believe what they wish, without pushing it on other people. We all need to take a breath and think about the other person before attacking them. Personal opinion is just that. Maybe we could all learn a little tolerance.
“Welcome to America, kids. Not only do you have to hide who you are and your sexuality , you DEFINITELY not aloud to ever talk about it, or write about it.”
Oh give me a f*cking break. Yeah, in America you can’t talk or write about being gay. Which is why this site was immediately shut down, and I don’t know any gays who are walking around openly anywhere in the country, much less in Oklahoma. They’re all dead due to torture in federal prisons.
This woman is an ignorant tw*t. Comments like yours aren’t much better.
Only consolation here is…her career will mirror Anita Bryant. Look what such stupidity did for her!
Ignorant idiot.
End of story.
Case closed.
Just wanted to say that I disagree strongly with the statement “hate is a Christian family value.” I know it was probably meant to be somewhat tongue in cheek, but the blanket nature of it I think is troubling.
Jesus spoke clearly against hate and called humankind to love all people, no matter what, without exceptions. It is a shame that some have twisted scriptures to back up a hateful viewpoint, but I don’t think you can possibly argue from Jesus’ life and teachings that hate is the answer.
This should go without saying, but I don’t allow sexist language in my comments (i.e. the word b****h), even if you are using said sexist language to attack a homophobic bigot.
More discussion of this…
http://www.dustbury.com/backlog/2008/03/threat_assessment.html
http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/08/oklahoma-insane-anti-gay-tirade-by-state-representative/
http://perezhilton.com/2008-03-08-dear-sally-kern
http://www.dailydoseofqueer.com/2008/03/08/rep-sally-kern-compares-gays-to-terrorists/
I’ve cross-posted this is on DailyKos – http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/9/233951/1317/623/473317
It is a well known fact to all Americans that the so called Christian conservative movement spreads hate speech and horrific crimes in our country. It is also a known fact that this so called Christian movement is also known as Americas taliban.
And here’s some more discussion…
http://www.campusprogress.org/page/community/post/kentstatepolitics/CLd4
http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2008/03/08/1600
Also here’s a DEFENSE of Rep. Sally Kern’s hate speech…
http://sharprightturn.wordpress.com/2008/03/09/your-are-right-on-sally/
And here’s a blog post that discusses a 2005 interview with Kern by Michelangelo Signorille (one of the hosts of Sirius OutQ 109)…
http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/2005/05/mockery-of-traditional-heartland.html
Some very interesting comments here:
http://www.blogactive.com/2008/03/who-is-this-woman-and-why-should-you.html
BlogActive is written by Mike Rogers, a prominent gay activist.
Mortimer, the Roman Empire collapsed after it converted to Christianity. As for Greek civilisation, it lasted for hundreds of years and gave the world democracy, philosophy, mathematics, theatre, literature and some fabulous architecture and sculpture that survives to the present day. Not bad for a civilisation that able to accept that some people are born gay …
Moderator’s note: I decided to leave this comment unedited. It contains extremely offensive anti-gay language, but I left it as is because it makes one of my points, that there are plenty of homophobes who agree with Rep. Sally Kern. Very, very disturbing – JMB
Y’know, I hear blame and I hear “WOW” and I hear disgust with what this brave, forthright, prepared to speak her mind like an American is supposed to be able to, woman has said. What she has said is the absolute truth, and the real fascists are the ones who want her to shut up, would scream and bark at her for bravely speaking her mind.
She’s absolutely right in what she’s said. When 2% of this nations population can rule in our courts and ruin our television with their rhetoric, and FORCE the rest of the population to accept their abominable ideals and sexuality, there’s a problem.
Now, she said it’s the right of gays and lesbians to be gays and lesbians but, just like I wouldn’t do it doggie style with my girl in public, and just like I don’t go screaming about doing it doggie style with my girl even in the bedroom, I don’t want to hear about it or see it from the gay and lesbian community.
The simple fact of the matter is you people are screaming over a subject you really have no right to scream over, but since you are allowed by law in the United States to post whatever comments you want, just as I am allowed to do and am doing, now, Mrs. Kern has the absolute right to say what she wants to say.
Because gays and lesbians are so fervent in their desire to see themselves as married couples in this nation, their lifestyle, their lack of morality, and their inability to see what they are doing is harmful to this nation and to my children, my family will suffer, and my ability to have rights as a married person are already in jeopardy.
Gays and lesbians, like married couples, should keep their fudge-packing and pole-smoking to themselves and stop doing everything they can to turn this nation, which is already in jeopardy because of them, on its head.
For those of you who believe that this sort of thinking is wrong-headed, and are surprised these sorts of thoughts are outdated, outmoded, and should be marked as hate speech, and illegal, consider what you’re saying and why you’re angry. As early as two decades ago, being gay and lesbian was considered, and rightly so, abominable behavior, by even non-Christians; the common man on the street and the common woman in her home thought about one man shoving his dick in another man’s ass and would be ready to vomit, as I still am in this day and age.
Homosexuality is not a genetic marker or disease or disorder and is not passed from parents or grandparents to their children, it is a choice. Don’t force your choices on me just because you want to be politically correct and believe that you are being “tolerant”.
Blacks being given their freedom was right… women being given their freedom was right… except look at what both groups have done with that freedom since. Blacks kill each other on a daily basis over drugs and territory that doesn’t belong to them, and women fight every single day to take children away from their fathers in a divorce and custody court system that favors women 92% of the time.
You good people, with your opinions, need to take a look at what you are doing to this nation on a daily basis because of your definition of “tolerance”, and you need to understand that you are shaping the wholly negative future of this country, rather than just stumbling blindly along this path because it’s someone else’s idea of the “right thing to do”.
Good day.
homosexuality may be wrong. i am not disagreeing with that stance.
What i think IS so amazing is that this lady, and many other shining stars who posted on this comment wall, are perfect, pristine, and infallible; thus making it acceptable to cast the first stone against someone else.
i’ll take gay people over murderers, child abusers, thieves, terrorists, racists, wife-beaters and confederate flag waivers any day. some people need to pull the plank out of their eye before judging someone else.
Here’s a story from a Lawton TV station…
http://www.kswo.com/Global/story.asp?S=7989704
Okay, here’s the thing that bigots like Sally Kern (sexuality based) and bigots who hate Christians don’t get: nowhere within the Bible is a prohibition against homosexuality, and nowhere within the Bible can one logically be inferred. For what it’s worth, I am monistic panentheist, religion-wise, but I actually bothered to read the Bible to see what all the fuss is about. Here’s the deal: in Leviticus, in the Old Testament, there is a very specific prohibition against going to pagan temples and paying the prostitutes who lived there for sex. As with most written works of the time, this prohibition was written by men, directed at men, and about men. This is where the notion that homosexuality is bad comes from. It makes no sense to me to cast this huge net from one statement outlining a very specific scenario. And here’s the rub: also within this same chapter of Leviticus are many of the dietary prohibitions that compose the Kosher laws that Orthodox Jews abide by. So, logically speaking, if you are going to say that being gay goes against God’s law, (which, as I pointed out, is a dubioius assertion at best) then you best not eat shrimp, or bacon, or cheeseburgers, because eating unclean food is at least as big a “toe cancer” as homosexuality is, as far as the Old Testament is concerned. (Oh, and don’t even get me started on Sodom and Gommorah. All manner of sin caused God to destroy Sodom and Gommorah, certainly not limited to homosexual behavior,and anyone who says otherwise hasn’t actually bothered to read the whole story.) Also, the whole notion of Christianity is built on the concept that Jesus came along and tweaked all the Old Testament laws and rules: no more animal sacrifice, for just one example. And, instead of 10 commandments, Jesus gave only one, which is “love one another”. So, yeah, the false god that these bigots claim to worship, is, by their own standard, completely fictional. Pretty crazy of them, huh? What these fundamentalists don’t realize is that while they are trying to hurt their homosexual brothers and sisters, what they are actually doing is hurting Christianity with their hate and hypocrisy. Oh, and Sally? If you want to take everything in the Bible so literally, if that’s what such a good Christian does, why is your hair short? And why, in your government photos, it your head uncovered? Those prohibitions are in Corinthians, which is in the New Testament. So maybe you aren’t concerned with what you perceive as God’s rules after all. Maybe you are just hate-driven, prejudice filled person who hides behind whatever bogus justification she can find.
My being gay does not affect a single person in the world except for me. You don’t have to like the idea of two men or two women being together romantically, but for God’s sake, keep it to yourself! What’s the point in causing such a commotion? Your ignorant and bigotted oppinion is not going to change me. You will NEVER get rid of us, so why not just shut up and move on with your lives? You don’t see us out there protesting straight rights or straight marriage or straight happiness, so why are people so adamant about protesting ours? Just leave us alone and let us live our lives the way we want to. Who I happen to love has no affect on you whatsoever…will NEVER have any kind of negative impact on your life. Additionally, being gay does not make you incapable of of holding any kind of political office. To say that gays should not be allowed to run for office is absolutely ridiculous. It makes absolutely no sense to me.
There is no place for that type of backward and bred thinking in today’s politics. She is entitled to her OWN opinions, but has no right to enforce that on others. Her personal opinions have no place in an office of legislature. People like this really drive me crazy. They condemn religious extremists, but what are they? Gays, blacks, Muslims, Mexicans, etc. are granted every right that white Christians are and if you don’t like that then move to China or some other country where the government can intervene on your personal life.
What hatred….I am from California and – well – the movie ‘Deliverance’ comes to mind…..hummmm – and this is probably someone who thinks her God just thinks it is AOK to act so as a devil. It is fine to have opinions, it is not fine to promote hatred. And to think she is a teacher? I suspect she is a teacher of hatred!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We in California are far more sophisticated and frankly this woman would be gone from office. Wake up Oaklahoma and do not support this hate monger!
Oh my gosh, please don’t say that she should be sent to Iran. Queer folks have about a zillion times more than enough horrible problems there! Also, don’t forget that there are many, many Iranians who aren’t homophobic, regardless of what their government says.
Woot! Sally made it to Wonkette!
http://wonkette.com/365840/oklahoma-rep-sally-kern-hates-the-gays-with-vigorous-sultry-passion
Update: And Science Blogs:
http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2008/03/gays_worse_than_terrorists.php
Hate speech hurts. Whether it is towards gays, blacks, whites, reds, etc. You get my drift. It is disturbing to think this woman sits in a government office and is able to say things like this. It is one thing to feel a certain way it is another thing to make others feel less important because you are vocal about your hatred towards them. I am sad that America can’t get over the fact that people are gay. So what? People are black too. People are white. People have Down’s syndrome. It’s as simple as that. PEOPLE ARE DIFFERENT! Land of the free? Land of IGNORANCE is more like it.
Thankgoodness you guys have free speech. It lets the rest of the world see what vile hatefull people americans really are…though we knew that already
Oklahoma is full of losers like Sally Kern, who pretend they stand for moral righteousness when all they really stand for is making the state look like the third world. Kansas is the same way.
This woman’s ugly remarks reflect horribly not only on the state of Oklahoma, but on our nation.
The only people I have ever known to push an agenda or a lifestyle are the right-wing Christian fundamentalists. What they too often seem to forget is that not all Americans are Christians who believe that the bible is the word of God.
As for her equating homosexuality with terrorism? Tell that to the families of the victims of the Oklahoma City bombing and September 11.
Sally Kern is a perfect example of what is wrong with America. She is a national disgrace.
Shame on her!
Gays are more dangerous than terrorists or muslim extremists huh? My experiences in Iraq and Afghanistan cause me to doubt this. I’d give Mrs. Kern five minutes in most Baghdad suburbs and she’d be begging to go to Burning Man or lead a gay pride parade.
The only “society” which has lasted for only a few decades that I can think of in recent times is Nazi Germany and they gassed homosexuals along with a whole lot of other people they didn’t like. It is not homosexuality, but hate that causes the downfall of societies. I have to wonder sometimes if these evangelicals are reading a book with the words “The Bible” pasted over where the words “Mein Kampf” used to be.
Bless Christianity for Love and acceptance.. oops what happned here – this lunatic woman makes hateful remarks and jusgement calls in the name of Christianity! Who are the idiots who voted for her I may ask!
This is what i emailed the Racist Sally Kern, if she had said something like this about some other minority, she would be forced to resign….and to all you so called christians, learn your stuff before u deal it
I am a 33 year old single lesbian mother of a beautiful and brillant
eight year girl. I have a solid foundation of faith in my Lord and
savior and it makes me sick to hear of something so racist from a
person in your position. If you had said your hate about any other
group of people, such as Jews or Blacks, this news would be nation
wide. You have the constitutional right to voice your opinion, but
you also have the responsibility to serve ALL of the people that you
represent, GAY, STRAIGHT, LESBIAN, BI, TRANSGENDER, WHITE, BLACK,
REDNECK, OR A BIG FLAMING DRAG QUEEN.
I AM GAY! I HAVE THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO LIFE, LIBERTY, AND THE
PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.
Also, Kern, I’ve only know one gay person in my life who has killed
himself and that was because of all the hatred that he got from
people like YOU. The rest of the people I know that have committed
suicide, this includes my brother who hung himself in 01′, have all
been drug addicted meth addicts. Maybe your attention should be on
this rampant drug problem……and learn how to think before you
speak. I don’t remember any Gay person flying airplanes into
buildings or blowing up the Murrah building….last time I look I
though it was Terrorists and a straight, white man. I feel sorry
for you, you are suppose to spreading love and delivering a message,
christians like yourself turn more people away from God than ANY
other group of people….and that’s sad.
There is no word in biblical Greek or Hebrew that is equivalent to
the English word homosexual. The word was coined ony about 100
years ago and first appeared in the Bible in the 1946 Revised
Standard Version.
The Bible, Christianity &
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doesn’t condemn faithful gay relationships.”
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By Justin R. Cannon
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Nothing amuses me more than Bible-toting “Christians” who rattle your memorized scriptures and dim-witted nursery rhymes about Adam and Steve. Not everyone who lives in this country is Christian. Stop trying to force feed the world your own version of down-home religion. Worry about your own sins, hate and hypocracies that seem to seeps from your every pore. Prayer in school or before an athletic event? No thanks, but feel free to do that on your own time. I have known some genuinely good people that are Christians, but the majority of you are simple-minded, hate mongers who would rather see a person die if they don’t follow your redneck religious “family values”. Keep your tiresome Bible verses to yourself and let me live my life. You want freedom of speech? You got it: It is no wonder why the Romans tossed you idiots to the lions.
I can hardly contain the outrage and disdain I feel every time I read about some person that was voted into office, using the 1st amendment to defend their bigoted laced derision. Additionally I also am having a hard time understanding how on one hand the Church clings to it’s traditional dogmas and it’s unwaivering sensiblities, and yet somehow the Vatican is now “revising” it’s sin list to include contemporary issues. STOP TALKING OUT OF BOTH SIDES OF YOUR PROVERBIAL FACES! Oh and know one seems to have a problem with the fact that the Pope is a NAZI!
I think the more Christian you proclaim yourself to is directly proportional to how much of a mindless, brainwashed moron you are. I really wish the Rapture was real, so the rest of us could be rid of you bible thumping, christian coalition, right wing hypocrites!
I get that they’re many individuals who are uncomfortable with homosexuality. TOO EFING BAD!!! What are gay people doing to you that you have to unburden yourself of your hangups. If you idiot’s actually stepped down from your high horse, you’d realize that most of the crimes which nearly everyone would deem as immoral acts, are committed by HETEROsexuals.
Does Sally Kern realize she looks just like Gene Hackman in drag in The Bird Cage.
I was shocked after watching this video. I can’t believe anyone would talk like this, specially someone with public reach.
You say you’re not gay bashing, but gay bashing is not only physical but also made with words. Words can be more hurtful and harsher than beating someone up. With your words Rep. Sally Kern you have beaten a lot of U.S citizens up.
It is sad to see how your lack of knowledge and distorted judgment has affected a whole population. You’re generalizing a group of people by some that have made horrible mistakes. The same mistakes that other “normal” people have made. You will always find good and bad in every group, every religion, every ethnicity, every human being, even YOU!
With these words, you have definitely shown your BAD/BASHING side.
We deserve an apology. We have families, we love, we are equal, we have rights, we also want the best for our country – for everyone to be free and accepted.
Read, educate yourself and ask opinions before you make such a hurtful statement.
I’m sorry for you.
Tommy –
It appears you’re no better than us vile Americans … how quaint.
[quote]Ms Kerns’s comments are NOT hate speech but merely the truth that society continues to ignore at our collective peril. The demise of the Romans and the Greeks a millenium or two ago attests to this. Whether she has exact facts from the Bible is irrelevant – the facts are in the study of history which we may be doomed to repeat. Those that think she is not speaking in the public interest are deluding themselves to maintain an agenda in their own self-interest. And – she is being contacted to tell her she is correct on this issue.[/quote]
You moron, the downfall of the Romans and the Greeks had nothing to do with homosexuality. You should research history before making asinine statements like this and make a fool of yourself.
The Roman empire expanded too much and was weakened by this. Oh, and along with the lead plumbing, disease and pollution problems in Rome and major Roman cities.
As for the Greeks, they were conquered by the Romans. DUH.
Isn’t it time to end free speech and the election of fat, idiotic hillbillies?
I’ll give it one week.By Friday 3/14 she’ll resign by popular demand.
She really skewered herself by not apologizing, but she’s cooked either way.
**** YOU, SALLY KERNS!!!
Sally Kern, I support you in your quest to be more ignorant than our current president!
GOBAMA!!!!
Dear Ms Kern,
I do believe you have the right to express your opinion (as a citizen) as well as the opinions of those you represent (as a member of the house) on the issue of homosexuality or the gay agenda, or any other social phenomena that is of concern to our community and nation.
However, I believe that as a professing Christian, you have an obligation to show compassion and to speak the truth with love. This means that there is a fine line between standing for what is biblical, yet not being judgemental. This means showing compassion to those struggling with homosexuality -whether they admit it or not- and adressing their suffering and misery in positive terms, and in the same passion as the one you are showing in defending the rest of society. For every condemnation statement to the ‘sin of homosexuality’, there should be a compassionate statement and a true desire to help those suffering from it. Otherwise, this is a judgemental attitude that is not in line with true Christian values of love.
Here’s Kern’s response…
http://jmbzine.com/2008/03/10/rep-sally-kern-responds-to-criticism-over-anti-gay-hate-speech/
Ha, I called and her mailbox is full. I was forced to send an email. I am not gay but i am vehemently opposed to this type of thinking which is a terrorist ideology.
Chris
I am a Jewish person by heritage, and must give my opinion on this issue because I’ve studied the New Testament a bit. I believe Sally Kerns may not have said things the right way or in the right forum, but I do not believe that disagreeing with someone’s lifestyle, or making statements on the basis of research, means you hate them. All gays seem to think that as soon as someone disagrees with you, it is hate.
However, I have many friends who are Christians, who aren’t Christians, who are conservative and even those who are a little more liberal, who agree with me on this: The push (and there IS a push) for the gay lifestyle to not only be tolerated and accepted but applauded and taught is getting out of hand. We (straight people) do feel a definite push, to the point where we are not allowed to say anything – even if we love you enough to share the horrible, dangerous health statistics that put your life in jeopardy. You simply don’t want to hear it. But WE on the other hand, any which way we turn we are hearing about how cool and in it is to be gay. We can’t get away from it! Every TV show – every movie – it’s unending any more. And anyone who feels it is getting to be too much is portrayed as hateful.
Don’t forget – Rosie O’Donnell also compared Christians and other conservatives to terrorists – and no big deal was made about that!
Here is my response to some other writers at this site:
Rhys says:
“My being gay does not affect a single person in the world except for me. You don’t have to like the idea of two men or two women being together romantically, but for God’s sake, keep it to yourself!”
Then please keep the gay parades like in San Francisco, with the nudity and obscenity and lude sex acts, out of the street and to yourself.
“You don’t see us out there protesting straight rights or straight marriage or straight happiness, so why are people so adamant about protesting ours?”
Yes, I HAVE seen protests of straight rights! I even have GAY workmates I am friends with who feel this way – who don’t agree with portions of the gay community who push and push for more and more special rights against the straight lifestyle and in the public education system!
Example: Where I live for a while we had an All-City Choir. Anyone was allowed. But that wasn’t enough. A Gay Alliance formed a GAY ONLY City Choir. Is that fair?
“Just leave us alone and let us live our lives the way we want to.”
But the gay activists are not leaving others alone! When I was in college, I was pressured and pressured again and again to “try being gay”; “why don’t you do it? You might like it?” It was almost non-stop.
My children, my friends and the kids of my friends are being pressured not to believe in anything else but to applaud and even put the gay lifestyle on a pedestal and keep their mouths shut. Almost every subject in school or in the workplace is being infused with gay rights. And those who don’t agree are mercilessly ostracized and reprimanded.
OK – you should have rights – but do we need to hear about it everywhere? And must others be attacked at every turn? Your screams for tolerance are creating a whole NEW intolerance…toward anyone who doesn’t agree with you.
“Who I happen to love has no affect on you whatsoever…will NEVER have any kind of negative impact on your life.”
Yes it does. Just see all of the above comments I have made to your comments.
To the people on this thread who quoted Leviticus –
Everyone just always quotes Leviticus in the Old Testament, But JESUS himself said in Mark 10:6-8: “God made them male and female. For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be united to his wife…” and in both Matthew 6:31-32 and Mark 10:10-12 Jesus speaks of marriage and divorce being between a man and a woman, clearly using feminine and masculine terms. It is clear he never considers man with man or woman with woman. …See also Romans 1:22-32 – around verse 26 it begins getting very explicit. Some gays, even those who believe the Bible, often claim that the apostle Paul was “off on his own agenda” when he wrote this in Romans. But we can’t believe the Bible in a “line item veto” way – just removing what we don’t like.
McVicker says:
“The only people I have ever known to push an agenda or a lifestyle are the right-wing Christian fundamentalists.”
That is untrue. Sally Kerns may have been wrong in the WAY she said things, but the gay agenda is indeed being pushed in the school system. It is too much to go into here, but I could site book after book, poem after poem, presentation after presentation going on the school system today. Here’s two examples: “King and King” which is now becoming required elementary school reading. Parents have gone all the way to court for permission to take their children out of class when this is being read. They’ve been told they have NO RIGHT. Poems like “My Mommy’s High Heels” in which the gay (or at least cross-dressing child) says that when he grows up he is going to behead all those who don’t disagree with him! Books like “Daddy’s Roommate” that state ‘mommy and daddy fought and got a divorce, but daddy and Fred will never fight”. Come on. If that’s not indoctrination I don’t know what is. And this is allowed because of the immense pressure and lobbying done by gay & lesbian groups to the point that legislators and educators just give you whatever you want to get you to leave them alone.
Here we go again. One more hateful, uneducated bigot in goverment. It is funny how there is to be a seperation between church and state, but Kern”s seems to be pushing her own agenda on everyone else. All peoples in these United States are created equal, no matter what their race, sexual preference or faith is. They say that one in ten people are gay, that would mean that at least on person in Kern’s own family is gay or bi. How would she react to one of her own family being openly gay. Why does she think she is all high and mighty and can try to push her own personal views on all of us. It is time to take the Bigots out of goverment.
Typical Republican hatemonger.
She needs to join PFLAG>>>>>>
Son is a big fat flamer….check out OBU in shawnee….what a joke she is
We’re here, we’re queer, so freaking get used to it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I do not believe Christianity, Jesus, or God is anti-gay. A huge part of Christian beliefs is to not judge anyone. I am a Christian, and have many wonderful homosexual friends who are also Christian. I think it is sad that Kern would, under the guise of Christianity, say such narrow-minded and judgemental things. However, she does have the freedom to say what she believes, and she should not have to appologize for being anti-gay. It is how she feels and in the same way that people are allowed to choose to be gay, straight, or bisexual, she is allowed to choose to be anti-gay, anti-straight, or anti-bisexual. Expressing her opinion is her right. If you don’t agree with her, just don’t vote for her.
Pray for this woman. She needs a real encounter with Jesus Christ. There are many “Christians” that have realized that there is no “GAY LIFE STYLE”. Many gay men and lesbian women attend church every week, have children and contribute to our society. The sad fact is that she has been taught to hate and even if she is faced with truth, she would rather live in ignorance.
There is a swingers club not to far from my home where heterosexuals meet, but I don’t see her type of Christian beating their doors down. People such as Sally use the Bible to beat poeple down and destroy lives, instead of lifting people up and offering the love of God. So many scriptures have been taken out of context to meet the need of hate. ie. the word Sodomite that is so often used to describe homosexuals, actually means MALE TEMPLE PROSTITUTE, not homosexual. But then to understand these things you would actually have to study this for yourself and not live off of the hate you have been spoon fed.
If the same Bible is true, we must love poor Sally and pray that she doesn’t have to reap too much for the harm she has done.
If ms. kerns is specifically speaking about mary cheney and karl rove, then I agree. These gay individuals are certainly a threat to America, though their homosexuality has nothing to do with it.
I would not equate homosexuality with terrorism, however I do believe that it is problem. If Rep. Kern is speaking for what she truly believes in based upon her faith, what right do homosexuals (and those who support them) have to tell her to retract her statement. It is such a double standard, liberals are able to espouse views and beliefs and are never called out to apologize. Yet a conservative can make one gaffe and offend a group of people then be asked to apologize. It is not fair and I hope that Rep. Kern does NOT back down from her stance.
I don’t care who you are or what you say, if our Maker and Creator and the One who Is going to judge each and every one of us( you can believe this or not, you’ll find out in the end, hopefully not too late) says homosexuality if wrong, IT IS WRONG! People accept any thing in this day and age and it is time to STOP, I hope Rep. Kern does not apologize, it isn’t her rules but the Lord God Almighty’s Laws, deal with it or be judged accordingly. This nation is going to hell in a handbasket, and again, whether I like it, or not, or anyone else likes it, we have a God who has Laws, if I or you, do not live accordingly, we WILL pay, people don’t like this message, as it puts restrictions on them and heaven forbid that “anyone will tell me how to live!” You can be anything in this world, gay, straight, a murderer, a rapist, etc, just don’t believe in One God, we who do, are being targeted, you can have any opionion, as long as it has nothing to do with God. Watch out Rep. Kern, as the enemy will strike hard now that you have taken a stand for what it TRULY RIGHT. Satan and all of his followers don’t like the TRUTH!
This idiot does not speak for me in any shape, way or form. People, please have her removed from public office, she is an EXTREME embarrasment to humankind !!!
Judgement will ONLY be done by “THE” higher power, not by some Physco using their state and ferdal offices for hate meetings(WHICH WE PAY FOR !!!!). Read your bible lady. No, I mean really, really read your bible. You need to educate yourself and fire whoever supplies you with these bogus statistics.
What I think is just as disturbing about her anti-gay hate-speech is what she says about Islam and how it is a huge threat in America. Terrorism is an issue, yes, but..surprise! Someone being Muslim does not automatically mean that they’re a terrorist! And vice versa, someone being a terrorist does not automatically mean they’re Muslim! So how can Islam, a RELIGION, just like Christianity is a religion, be an “threat”? Looks like she’s pretty ignorant about more things than just homosexuality!
And I thought being Christian meant that you believe strongly in acceptance and tolerance? Clearly not for her.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but when it comes to hateful, damaging, and hurtful opinions like hers, she should keep them to herself. This woman should not be in office, nothing good can come from it. It’s 2008, let’s try to be a little more openminded!
It is clear with your recent comments that you are unable to perform your civil duties that includes a separation of church and state. With that in mind, I call for you to step down from your PUBLIC OFFICE as you are not fit to serve in a Democracy. If you wish to seek office within your bigoted, hate-filled church, that is your prerogative, but we have no room in our government for politicians who wish to commit genocide on an entire group of people due to YOUR religious views.
Yes, you have freedom of speech, but YOUR freedom ends where MY freedom begins. There is a big difference in freedom of speech and practicing hate speech. You do not have the right to shout “fire” in a crowded theater and you do not have the right to disenfranchise an entire segment of the population by spreading such offensive, uncivil hatred based on some hypocritical view you have of a God that you don’t know. If you KNEW God, you would know that the words you spoke are not in line with His message or His teachings.
You have no business serving the public when it is clear that you despise those you are supposed to serve.
I call for your immediate resignation from public service, an apology to the gay community and removing yourself from any further public appearance. You disgust me and sadden me in your hatred and your unchristian behaviors from someone who professes to be a Christian. You are no more a Christian than I am a Pontiac Grand Prix, for going to church makes you no more a Christian than sitting in a garage makes you an automobile.
May God have mercy on your blackened, hate-filled soul. Beg for forgiveness from Him for your words of hatred against His children, repent and remove yourself from office. You are not fit to serve and when your term is up, you will no longer be in politics of any sort because people do will not elect a bigot such as you to any office now that they see your ugly, demonic soul and the horns sprouting from your head. You stepped over the line both civilly and religiously. I will pray for you that God open your eyes to your bigotry and bring you to your knees before him in repentance.
It is people like YOU who give REAL CHRISTIANS a bad name.
The story is on a message board up in PA too. There’s a bunch of hypocritical right winged bigots who are standing up for this hatemonger!!!
http://talkback.lancasteronline.com/
Of course she is entitled to her opinion – the problem is she is asserting matters of ugly opinion as fact. Thats deeply disturbing. It is the way to feed the beast of ignorance – when people that are clothed in a cover of respectibility (an elected state Representative, a former schoolteacher)pass on such views as make up facts.
Seriously – that is how the extreemists operate throughout the world and have doen throughout history.
She puts herseld (and her supporters) in some VERY undistinguished compay by pedaling such foul hate-filled speech. This woman is no Christian.
Here’s the thread about her hate speech where they are supporting her:
http://talkback.lancasteronline.com/index.php?showtopic=65064
Also – If she really has no apology for her comments – because they are simply what she believes and has the right ro her beliefs – then why did she try to say it only in secret, hidden from public comment?
Her refusal to apoligize is yet more lying and making things up to justify her hate.
I’m from Oklahoma, and I have to say I am so glad I just turned 18 so I can vote people like this out of office. She does not speak on behalf of Oklahomans whatsoever.
This is the same kind of propaganda people spread about Jews throughout various disgraceful points in history. It’s this type of thinking that resulted in a holocaust.
Rep. Sally Kern has done nothing more than state the truth. Gays and lesbians are an abomination and a detriment to this country. If the news media would canvas america in places other than cities which are a cess pool of perversion, they would find that a great many people have the same feelings as she. Tolerance only goes so far. When it impinges on my right to state my feelings, that’s where I draw the line.
In response to adg’s comment:
“[I]n reply to Mortimer Pernsquat’s statement:
“Ms Kerns’s comments are NOT hate speech but merely the truth that society continues to ignore at our collective peril. The demise of the Romans and the Greeks a millenium or two ago attests to this. . .”
You sir or madam, must have the education and higher reasoning skills of a poorly trained chimp.”
I am shocked and appalled by your unabated bigotry and hatred against poorly trained chimps. Surely they have greater reasoning skills than the individual you cite. You sir or madam, is no better than Rep Sally Kern herself.
As far as the fall of Greece and Rome goes (?), how about the Renaissance? It was a completely secular return to the learning and culture of Greco-Roman society and shaped what we are today. The kind of speech that Sally Kern spews forth is indicative of her ignorance (?) and fear (“those who scream loudest”). I think she dreams of dinner with Janet Reno and Donna Shalala, but what do I know?
Oh, and to Jay. As for your question concerning the morality of being gay (based on the fact that two members of the same sex can’t create a human being), I certainly hope that you can someday experience having sex strictly for fun. Why did your god make it feel so good? We do other things like lemmings because we know that we must. Why didn’t god make procreation just so-so? Or have you already enjoyed sex? Well, Jay, if you’ve had sex twice, you can probably say which one felt better. Did you want to do it again? Oh, that’s right; spank me! It’s not my business.
Wow…I am sickened by this woman. Her remarks are representative of a worldwide epidemic of hatred and ignorance for each and every one of us who dares to be an individual. Whether it’s anti-gay sentiment, or any other prejudice of any sort, the words vomited out of this woman’s mouth are simply unacceptable. This should only reinforce the determination of humans across the planet to shut out the hate and stand with iron fists at ignorant, fundamentalist creatures like her.
Sally Kern, you are a disgrace to the human race. Your sick, sordid words have been heard and will not be tolerated. You can run, but do not dare to hide, because we have all heard. You are a bigot of the greatest kind, and I sincerely hope you open up your eyes to the outrage you have caused and feel the shame of the world looking down on you.
EVERY one of those stupid comments she made were all first made by people like Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Mr. Dobson, etc., and all those self-righteous “christians.” People like her can’t think for themselves and they have given up their God-given right to reason for themselves. And people who agree with her are just as guilty. And that kind of speech IS what Hitler used to get people to hate the Jews in Germany. We have to face the fact that we aren’t really a very Christian country, though we LOVE to say that we are. But, talk is cheap and our actions speak louder than words. She talks about what the bible says… My bible and, in particular, MY Jesus was always speaking out against the hypocrites. He talked about not judging and loving all people, even your enemies, and He showed it in his everyday life when he associated himself with people that the scripture-thumpers didn’t like. She’s pathetic and I feel sorry for her because she chooses to be ignorant and weak minded. I’d like to see the “studies” she talks about. Oh, by the way, those horrible gay folks are also fighting in Iraq so that people like her can continue their HATE SPEECH. Shame on her. She needs to go to a REAL church that preaches what Jesus lived!
Dear Sally,
The 19th Century just called — it misses you and wants you to come home.
Sincerely,
Oklahoma expat
The characterization of opinions that disagree with yours as “hate” is demagoguery. The presumption that the listener can “make up” the motivation of a speaker is foolish and dangerous. Free speech implies the concept that you most likely won’t agree with the speaker, otherwise there would be no need to safeguard the speaker’s right to say what they will. Three cheers for Representative Kern!
Petition to get Sally Kern out of Office for her hate speech against homosexuals. Please sign it, post it on your blog and send a bulletin to all your friends to sign it!
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/request-to-terminate-sally-kerns-position-house-of-representatives
Thanks
Heather
If America is going to diminish in power it’s because the country is falling apart no matter what. Homosexuality has nothing to do with it I think, so Rep. Kern’s beliefs are statements of desperation.
My question is: does America perhaps need to decline in power and influence?
It’s been said that ignorance is bliss. That doesn’t apply here. With this tunnel-visioned state legislator, ignorance is plain ignorance.
Interestingly, Ms. Kern is incorrect in her ascertation that civilizations who embraced gay lifestyles were doomed to last only a few decades. Above, Mortimer Pernsquat points to the Romans and Greeks as examples of this point, however, if you read your history book you’ll notice that the Greek and Roman civilizations were both long-lived and quite influential for other nations…namely America. You would think as teacher of 20 years, Ms. Kern would be aware of this fact! I think that she doesn’t is far more scary than gays, Islam, and cancerous little toes combined.
Suz Teter
As I stated previously, this was a personal opinion, which you have yours also. To answer your question: You’ll have to pray and ask God why he made it feel so good. The lemmings threw me, lemming-definition in America-small artic rodent resembling the mouse. And you are absolutely correct, my sex life is none of your business and yours is none of mine. When it affects my children or grand children, then it becomes my business. I don’t believe my children or your children should be indoctrinated against our own personal beliefs. Right or wrong, we all will answer for our shortcomings, and we all have them. No one is without sin, not even one. I’ve never been to a blog site before the other day, but I’ve seen so much hate from both sides that it is truly disheartening. To answer your other question, Why didn’t God make procreation just so-so. My guess is that he didn’t want to create robots, but thinking people who could make their own choices, be they right or wrong. In case you didn’t catch it, I don’t hate anyone, and it’s not up to me to judge, lest I be judged. My maker will make the final judgement. I wish you all the best and yes, God Bless You All
I cant believe someone would celebrate speech like this. This is hatred in her speech to put down a lifestyle and a religion and then compare it to terrorism and cancer. I’m sorry, America, that we elected this woman. And ancient Roman and Greek culture was not destroyed by homosexuality. Enough of this
Just what we need in important jobs. Someone who cannot accept everyone. Until people keep there personal opinons to themselves,and everyone can live in peace this world is going to be an awful place to live. HATE is going to destroy the world. Along with IGGNORANCE. Seems Ms.Kern has both qualities. Let everyone be free from hate!
Sally Kern, you have balls; lots of balls, Matsa Balls and I eagerly anticipate viewing all future exposures.
May God continue to bless you with courage and the willingness to use it.
why are you all looking to the bible in attempt to solve this debate?… god doesn’t exist. And some of you biggots are right, this fat hag has every right to say what she said. Just like i have the right to say that our creator is a flying spaghetti monster. Have you been touched by his noodely appendage?
Sally is right. It is all very simple and there is no hate or bigotry. The moment that I was born the Doctor look between my legs and said it is a boy. That is what I was then and what I always will be. It can not be changed. The idea that it can be changed is only make believe. We must live in a the real world. Happiness is been what you are because one can be nothing else. Acceptance is accepting people as the are and not as who they would like to be.
WOWOWOW i cannot believe her ignorance, or all the other ignorant, prejudistic individuals, who actually agrees with her, she has nothing to back up her argument with the contested argument from the bible, i dont wanna religion bash, but if there really were a god, he would of never created a waste of oxygen such as ms kern,
btw OVERPOPULATION AND GLOBAL WARMING ARE DESTROYING HUMANITY, Not HOMOSEXUALITY, humanity never ceases to amaze me with its ignorance
It made me laugh to see the comments from those who side with the so-called ‘representative’ Sally Kern. Clearly, ignorance and stupidity still thrive in Oklahoma. I does make me a bit embarrassed to be from Oklahoma. Oh well. DO please note that not all Oklahomans are bigots.
i find it funny that there are some of you that think that homosexuality is a “choice”. like i just woke up one day and said “hey, i think i wanna be gay”.. thats rediculous, thats like saying that i want to be afraid to tell my parents or anyone for that matter; or that i want to be looked at as the “downfall of society”…saying that gay is a “choice” is like saying that being black or hispanic is a choice. people like Ms. Kerns are hurting thousands of closeted gay teenagers with her words, and the gay community in general. I’m a straight A student, i play sports,and i have a job. i dont see how I am, in any way, a threat to america.
The comments in Sally Kern’s defense just go to show what I’ve always believed…people who are anti-gay like her are uneducated and just plain stupid. They are the kind of people who live in rural areas in trailer parks, never finished high school, and have never traveled to a foreign country. They are dying off as more younger progressive people enter the voting ranks and good riddance. They are a cancer on the side of humanity who need to be purged, and I can’t wait for the chemo to start. Give it 30 years and they will be dying dirt poor of alcholism and meth in their doublewides in Mississippi, all the while condemning a group of people they don’t even know aside from a passing aquaintance. Good riddance, all of you. If you really disapprove of gay people so much, move to Iran.
Ms. Kern– I served my country, am a taxpayer and an American citizen–and I am a lesbian–
I am NOT a Terrorist! How dare you equate me as such– Oklahoma voters should rethink their choice in electing an obvious hatemonger whose intelligence is so low as to make a comparison this idiotic.
Good for her. I was sickened when I was asked to stock pro-gay lifestyle books in the grade school section when I worked at an Oklahoma library. Why should taxpayers be asked to subsidize the perversion of the minds of children?
Tolerance, tolerance! this is the cry of today’s gay agenda…You must all telerate us because this is what we are!!…Well, tolerance is a two way street…Just because Sally Kern speaks against the homosexual agenda, it doesn’t make her a hater…She is not agreeing with the gay lifestyle, just as millions of Americans. This is her right in a free society. You can be all the gay you want, but don’t try to push it down our throats as it is something “normal” because it is not. Funny, when people ridicule christianity and the followers of Christ, you never hear about dead threats and hateful letters sent to the offenders. I guess that pretty much says it all.
Sally Kern should resign.
To have someone like her in a position of lawmaker in America is a very dangerous situation. Her hatred toward the gay community is not based on logic, rather it is based solely on her clinging beliefs of her own particular religion. This is something our founding fathers created safeguards against. Separation of church and state is a good thing, because it protects Americans from unfair persecution from people like Sally. Last time I checked, I’m pretty sure Sally can’t introduce me to God. But I can introduce her to some gay Americans. If she can prove the existence of The Word Of God (written by a bunch of men, by the way) then great; bring it on. But if she can’t, we must acknowledge the FACT that gay people exist. Not only that, but they are American gay people. Born in AMERICA. Born into a system that grant them the safe liberties and freedoms and rights. Sally needs her brain examined. THEN, I’d recommend that she review the Bill of Rights. Under that document, gay people in America are granted the same rights as those of us who are straight. Also, I might add that in her hateful rhetoric spewing, she comments that ‘not all religion is equal’. WHAT??? READ THE BILL OF RIGHTS! Freedom of Religion. Sally is a nut job. Just because her husband is some pastor in Olivet Church, she thinks THAT is the true one and only representation of existence on earth. Get a grip lady. Anyway, I digress. I think she should resign. We can’t have nutjobs like her writing laws in our nation. We need people who actually believe in our constitution and our bill of rights. Those are what make this country a great nation.
I’m Tom from Holland..it’s so sad how conservative USA is. This woman is a danger to society, she lives in the stone age. Sad sad womam i feel so sorry for her. People who agree with her are sad as well and paranoid. Im straight by the way!
The woman – Sally Kern – is obviously out of control.
There are rumors on other sites that her having to deal with her own gay son, Jesse, is too much for her to bear and she is lashing out.
In any case, she can believe whatever she wants. But as an elected representative, she cannot spew hateful lies and distortions about any group in the name of her personal religion. (Separation of church and state.)
I would like to see a copy of the gay agenda she claims exists.
I would like to know what EXACTLY the gay lifestyle is that she rages against. (Do all gay people have the exact same lifestyle?!)
And since she also claims that not all religions are equal, I’d like to know which ones – in her twisted mind – are better than the others and why.
It truly is pathetic that she will not apologize. Being the devout Christian she claims to be, one would think she would ask for fogivness – not necessarily for her beliefs, but for all the hurt and confusion she has caused wiht her hateful and fasle words.
Sally Kerns made it on to wikipedia…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sally_Kern
I have written her, and my letter can be read on my blog. I hope that everyone else on here either writes or calls her to let her know that her words were extremely harmful.
My favorite part of what she said is how she hides behind god almighty. Of course Kerns is a christian and a really good one too; she hates all the right people! Isn’t that what Jesus did? Wasn’t he always scornful to the disenfranchised, those without a voice that could be heard, to those others found disgusting and gross? Kerns’ Jesus has a message like this: Hate everyone who isn’t just like you and you’ll go to heaven. Yeah! A big, white, happy party for eternity.
First and foremost there were many negative responses to Kerns comments, and My family (which consist of my wife, daughter, and myself) would like to say WELL DONE FOR SPEAKING UP FOR THE CHRISTIANS OF THIS STATE. Most people in office are just too scared to say what they stand for. Thanks for speaking up for those Oklahomans that need the government to hear what some of us have to say. To the rest of the readers on this blog, in America there is still “freedom of speech,” so as a Christian, to the pro-gay people of Oklahoma, great speak your mind but believe the people who stands behind this women will do the same. As a father I don’t want my child experiencing this kind of abomination and spreading it. This is my voice, my belief, and my opinion. KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK KERN AND THANKS FOR NOT APOLOGIZING, BECASUE IF YOU DID IT MEANT THAT WERE NOT SERIOUS ABOUT THIS STATEMENT.
Yes! That toe cancer is going to spread and affect all the hard work we’ve been doing to keep ourselves healthy – eating toxic fast foods; drinking acidic coffee; smoking cigarettes that paint our lungs black; drinking liquor that drowns the overworked liver; taking medications that only cause more illnesses to show up; cleaning our houses with nice-smelling chemicals which we happily breath in; showering in water that is full of chemicals (and latest studies say) traces of everyone’s medications; watching tv and reading the newspapers that are filled with fear-producing information keeping our immune systems purring miserably.
And this is just to our body. Imagine what toxic stuff we’re doing to the planet and our communities?
And all gay people want to do is express their “love” (Love = God) freely. And they are hated for that? They are causing this country to collapse? Because of Love?
I absolutely think Sally Kern is an ignorant idiot. Her speech was filled with fiction that she certainly couldn’t prove. She is entitled to her opinions definitely but as a private citizens. She should resign from her position immediately!!
In response to comment #127 who said, “WELL DONE FOR SPEAKING UP FOR THE CHRISTIANS OF THIS STATE.”
I’m sorry, but I’m a Christian and she doesn’t speak for me.
Jesus taught us to love EVERYONE. Kerns’ statements are completely contrary to what Jesus taught.
people like her make me sick they think that because someone is different than them they are somehow second class citizens..I support gay people and gay marriage because they are people too its the people that say that god condemns homosexuality…guess what not everyone believes in god or any religion for that matter she should be removed from office because she is spitting out hate speech..
Homophobia is a fear of gay people. When whomever said christianity teaches hate what they were referring to is this whole idea of going to hell. The idea was meant to brow beat unintelligent people into following rules of a societ and, thus, whomever fought their way to power. It is not all stupid people who hate the gay people they fear. Some of them are smart. Let’s not blanket any issue. Some of them are so smart that they take this power they have been grandfathered into and use it as a social chip on their shoulder. Before you start arguing that people who happen to be gay have a chip on their shoulder, refer to reverse discrimination and come back when you get the reality. The problem IS that although people who are not republican try not to think this is the kind of covert conversation/meeting the “republican” agenda is every day around this “FREE?” nation, hearing things like this open any person who is not gullible to think twice when we hear someone say, “I’m not gay bashing but….[bash a gay] [heck, bash all people who are gay]” Let’s stop talking about sending people to Iran. Let’s stop talking about who doesn’t deserve to be in this country. Let’s not forget that there are people who hate America and it is because of their religion and what they have CHOSEN to believe their religion REQUIRES. They are the laws of our country. There is not yet separation of church and state. This is not an easy issue. I challenge everyone to get to know more people. I don’t care if you know a million people from supposedly every walk of life. Know more. Arm yourself with knowledge of people instead of knowledge of how to hate. Kern believes people who are gay are cancer. It’s as messed up as someone getting liposuction. It’s not the fat that’s the problem, it’s your lazy not-gonna-know/do-better and expect more of yourSELF….not others and deal with your real emotional/social issues. Stop being so angry people. vote for clear minded people and stop the anger.
Sally Kern’s rhetoric is evident.
NAZI rhetoric:
Jews control politics, are diseased, threaten children, etc …
Source: http://www.hatecrime.org/subpages/hitler/hitler.html
Sally Kern’s rhetoric:
Gays control politics, are diseased, threaten children, etc …
It is my opinion that it is scary we live in a world where people like Mrs. Kern have a public voice and it´s even worse that there are still people out there who believe she could be telling some sort of truth.
Sure, freedom of speech is a great value and we should encourage it and therefor she is entitled to her opinion.
But as a Christian – have we not been tought that one person is as valuable than another in God´s eye ? Did we not learn that everyone is equal ? Did Jesus not teach us to love others as we love ourselves ? To value all life on earth ?
Has Mrs. Kern actually ever studied the word of Jesus and does she even understand what Jesus stood for ?
Many a cause of war and rage and intolerance is based on the fact that one person does not understand another and therefor they start to judge… but it is not up to us to judge.
How can anyone agree with what Mrs. Kern is saying ? She is disrespectful and basicly she tells lies. How could you ever agree with someone like that fulfilling some kind of rolemodel function in your community ?
Please start to think for yourself – every person is just a person. Whether gay, straight – black, white – male, female and so on…
Is it not about time we overcome these issues and start to recognise people for who they are ?
Have any of you that are against Mrs. Kerns comments ever read the Bible? Maybe you ought to consider it. If you have read it…….maybe you ought to consider reading through the eyes of God and not the eyes of man.
What she said is right. She was not being hateful. And for those who are saying Jesus wanted us to love everyone…..That doesn’t mean he wanted us to accept gays.
Read the Bible so you are not the ignorant one.
Sally Kern’s words are VERY HITLER-LIKE. Yeah, she IS a Nazi She probably also has choice words for Jews, Latins and Blacks.
Blaming the problems on society on gays is ridiculous. Thankfully, most people DISMISS this crazy woman as a NUT JOB.
This just makes me so sad…here in 2008, lack of education and ignorance still prevail.
I can’t believe that public figures not only have these views, but actually express these views publicly without repercussions…I heard part of this speech on the Ellen Degeneres Show…good for her for letting people know about this.
#131: “As a father I don’t want my child experiencing this kind of abomination and spreading it.”
There’s not a damn thing you can do to prevent someone from being gay. It is innate.
NO ONE chooses it!
There is no gay agenda.
There is no gay lifestyle.
Gay people are as diverse as heterosexuals.
Taking part in the debates about Sally Kern and her hateful spew in the past few days, I’ve learned a lot. I think what surprises me the most is the HUGE number of close-minded, uneducated, and ignorant people in this country on issues of religion, sexuality, and politics.
I’m a teacher.
I’m a sister, daughter, stepmother, and partner.
I’m a lesbian.
My students love me.
My family loves me.
My sexuality makes no difference to them…and most of them are Christians. If they aren’t they’re practicers of other religions. They all agree that hate is wrong, and it certainly isn’t Christian.
So, if I’m a threat, have me fired. Take my family away. But, I believe Ms. Kern is certainly a bigger threat with her blatantly ignorant comments of something she has absolutely no knowledge about.
In response to Angie (comment #139) who said – “Have any of you that are against Mrs. Kerns comments ever read the Bible? Maybe you ought to consider it. If you have read it…….maybe you ought to consider reading through the eyes of God and not the eyes of man.”
I have read the Bible (the protestant canon, I haven’t yet read all of the books in the Catholic canon) cover to cover over the course of about 18 months, and have read portions of it many other times over the years. I also have a Bachelor’s degree in Bible with a Christian ministry emphasis. I mention this to say that I think I have a fairly informed perspective on this topic.
Reading the Bible (and particularly the New Testament, which I would say has a higher weight for Christians), I can say that there are very few scriptures that address the subject of homosexuality while there are many, many more that call us to love people. And with regard to the teachings of Jesus, he did not address homosexuality at all.
One of the better explanations of the reportedly anti-gay scriptures can be found on the website of Oklahoma City’s Church of the Open Arms at: http://www.e-sites.net/openarms/scripture.html
I got this emailed to me by my friend Batch. I thought it was worth sharing…
Dear Representative Kern,
While literalist fundamentalist Christians applaud your 3-minute rant on the threat of the “homosexual agenda” they should answer these questions from one who is confused:
1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (- Lev.1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing. Should I smite them?
2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness – Lev.15:19-24. But, how do I tell? When I ask, most women take offense.
4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A friend claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? May I own Canadians?
5. A neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
6. A friend feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination, Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. Is eating lobsters as sinful as homosexuality?
7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I wear glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die?
9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean. If I wear gloves is it OK to play football?
10. My uncle has a farm and violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also curses and blasphemes a lot. Is it really necessary that we gather the whole town to stone them as mandated in -Lev.24:10-16? Couldn’t we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws (Lev.20:14) ??
I know you have all studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help.
Thank you again for reminding me that God’s word is eternal and unchanging.
Onward,
http://www.ksbitv.com/home/16579056.html
Check out this site that claims Sally Kern’s son is gay:
http://www.queerty.com/sally-kern-scrubs-gay-son-20080312/
http://okiefunk.com/node/360
spend more time being happy and not bitter.. she is an adiot
Hey Sally,
Was watching Ellen just now, she has a meesage for you but your voicemail is full, hmmm, wonder why?
And they will know we are Christians by our love
While saddened to hear, once again, another elected official spewing ignorant statements, I’m smiling just a bit inside because it reminds me of one thing: Me thinks thou protest too much. Is she hiding something herself? Oh my . . . do we have a closeted lesbian in the Oklahoma legislature?!? What ever should we do?? And if you haven’t guessed it yet . . . yep, I’m a lesbian and have never once been ashamed of it. Seriously though, she should be removed from orifice, oops, I mean office, immediately.
People need to understand that Sally Kern is simply putting her priorities in proper order. As a Christian, being true to the cause of Christ is first priority as we are admonished not to be ashamed of the gospel or God will be ashamed of us. If you believe that, as Sally obviously does – and rightly so – then she must be first true to her Christian calling even ahead of her call as a public official. However, being true to Christ will make her a better public official.
No one can or should try to force a person to change their lifestyle – it just doesn’t work. However, speaking the truth, as she is, is very necessary. Sin needs to be spoken out against and practicing homosexuality is sin, and trying to define it any other way is simply rationalizing in order to do what we want.
The family, as originated by God, is the bulwark of a society. Any thing that comes against the family is detrimental to society and thus the nation. Homosexuality is a practice that does just that. To believe that we as a nation will not be called to account by God for it is simply hiding our heads in the sand. There are many other trends in our nation that is also destroying the structure of the family. But that doesn’t lessen the fact that homosexuality is also doing so.
God tells us that we are born with a sinful nature. Thus we are not sinners because we sin. Rather we sin because we are sinners. However, God in His great love for all mankind, sent His son to take our punishment on the cross. If we accept His free gift of salvation through Jesus, we do not need to feel the wrath of God at the end of our life. However, all of us will one day bow our knees to God and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. Those who do it now will be rewarded. Those who do it after they die will be eternally punished. This is the message we as Christians need to preach because changing a lifestyle will not change the person. Only as persons turn their life over to Jesus will our nation be saved.
Quite frankly I am not shocked by her ridiculous statements. This is what happens when you let women become educated and leave the home. They start thinking on their own and then they make ridiculous statements.
I’m going to give Vecepia the benefit of the doubt and assume the comment was made in snark mode.
She is clearly a nut case. I will be happy to donate $$$ for her lobotomy.
I am a great-grandmother and I am ashamed to admit she is a woman.
Wow!! I can’t believe that people like this still exist! What’s really depressing is the fact that there are people on here who left comments commending this type of hateful behavior! I am a Christian, a mother, and a student, and those views DO NOT represent those of the Christian faith nor that of American mothers. Let us, for a moment, entertain the comment about the downfall of civilizations that have accepted the gay community, in the past. The decline of said civilizations (Greeks, Romans, etc.) has absolutely NO correlation to sexually. It has to do with war-time politics/strategy, class systems, famine, poverty, pestilence, disease, and opportunistic over-takings. To say that the downfalls are a result of accepting homosexuality, is not only a fallacy, but downright irresponsible and inaccurate. This, among other statements she has made, shows her ignorance bleeding through on MANY levels. I can’t believe this lady actually graduated college!
So sad to read some of these comments… this country is full of brain washed people who would believe anything…there are people who voted for bush twice, what makes u think they wouldn’t believe something as stupid as this… and to know she even has a gay son.. Is amazing… I would be so sad to know my mother was like this.
i love how some people talk about reading the bible and listening to the words of god….don’t people realize that the bible itself is a book written by many different men and that what it’s written in it shouldn’t be taken under consideration since there are no proofs of it being true. it’s very pathetic how some people can believe in the words of a BOOK and in many cases kill people over it..
I can not believe in 2008 we still have people going out of there way to bash Homosexuals; We are just as hard working as any hetroexual.
I love the fact people bring in religion, I have attened catholic schools all my life, was even an alter server in grade school; and it has always been said that Gods top rule is: Love thy neighbor. Not love thy neighbor unless he/she is a homosexual!
So for all you people who want to hide behind religion, maybe you should first remember what WWJD.
Paul says “Homosexuality is not a genetic marker or disease or disorder and is not passed from parents or grandparents to their children, it is a choice.”
I’ve heard the “it’s a choice” scenario so many times that it has long since become comical to me that so many people are still making such an ignorant statement. And what amazes me is, how would any hetereosexual “actually” know it’s a conscious choice? It’s about as logical as a gays having the ability to convince straights to switch. Why would anyone voluntarily choose to be persecuted for who they are? How many straights have given any thought to the freedoms they take for granted such as walking down the street holding hands with their partner, sharing a kiss in public, going to work each day without having to make up stories about their personal lives for nosy co-workers? In the end, we all go about our daily lives in the same way . . . working, taking care of the household, paying bills, paying “taxes” and on and on.
In order to avoid being dishonest any longer, I told my parents over 30 years ago that I’m gay. Yes, they were understandably upset and it took them a few years to come to terms with it. Then they realized that I’m still the same daughter they raised with the same values they instilled in me (honesty, integrity, inner strength, compassion) and that my life is about as normal as it gets. Most importantly, they know firsthand that I’m not some vile, perverted individual whose goal in life is to convert every straight person on the planet to my way of life. They know I did NOT “choose” my sexual orientation.
I can’t speak for anyone else, but God has an enormous influence in my life. I’m right with him and talk to him everyday. I also know with every fiber of my being that who I am is who God intended me to be. So if any “know-it-alls” out there have a direct hotline to God, let him explain it to you.
As far as Paul stating this “genetic marker” thing being nonexistent . . . I know many gay people who have at least one or multiple siblings and/or relatives who are also gay. Go figure.
I don’t know if it’s a genetic marker or not (and don’t care) but maybe this is a thought for Paul to ponder.
I’m bored with the straights who have such a tremendous interest in what goes on in my own bedroom with a consulting adult. Funny, I have absolutely no interest in what you’re doing in yours.
Whether you like it or not, we are here in your midst and many times, much closer than you think.
To jmb:
It sounds like you need to take my advise: read the Bible through the eyes of God and not through your own.
Check out Romans 1:26-27 King James Version
“For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.”
God did not ever plan for man to be with man or woman to be with woman….this is a serious sin which distorts the natural use of God’s gift.
Homosexuality = changing or leaving the natural use of sex.
Leviticus 18:22 “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is ABOMINATION.”
If you can’t find any reference against homosexuality maybe you are not looking hard enough.
Time to re-establish that Mason-Dixon line so that you southerners can continue beating off to your war-mongering chiefs and congressional birdbrains, while the rest of us live in peace.
@adg
Haha!! That was good.
I live in Oklahoma. A sad thing is, I’ve heard the term “OklaHOMO” a couple of times. Haha.
It’s not about religion to me. I just love everyone. Even the jerks.
Everyone has a right to free speach. It is hard though to beleive an elected official would speak like this.
I am a gay man who is becoming a teacher. I am currently a teacher aide who works with autistic children while in grad school. I care for those kids like they are my own while some of the straight “macho” guys I work with physically hit and yell at these children with disabilities. But hey thats ok so long as they are straight. all the time and money I spent on my degree and people think I am out to get kids. Pity. Such a damn pity.
Gay, straight, bisexual people NEVER chose their sexuality. I NEVER EVER chose my sexuality. I never chose to be gay but I have chose not to live a lie and live openly. To all those that are straight when was the day and when was the exact moment you chose your sexuality? I am sure you can’t answer that.
No one ever taught me to be this way. Why do people think that gays are out to teach children to be this way? It is beyond my comprehension. All we want is respect and equal rights. The only reason things are taught in schools is so children learn how to respect differances in the hopes they wont be bullied and physically hurt like I was in school because many thought I may have been gay.
Being gay in no way is an easy life. No ones life is easy whether you are straight or gay. But being different is a hard way to live but living a lie is even harder. So before you think gay people just choose to be this was because its the “in” thing think twice. I cant beleive one poster said that being gay is the in thing and that she was forced in college!!! Maybe a gay person flirted with you but if you are straight you tell them! Gay and Lesbians have existed since the beging of time. Other animals in the world (human beings are animals) exhibit homosexuality. I know there are some people who beleive that we are above animals because we have intelect. Oh do we? We still kill for food like animals do. We are territorial like animals are and we kill for it. So dont give me that nonsense.
My hope is one day when we are all on the other side Jesus and God reveal to people that being gay,bisexual, straight transgender was the plan. The mission for each of us was to live in harmony and respectfulness and I hope we all at that moment of realization become aware of our actions in this life and see how they affected others.
I am a person, I am proudly gay, proud to be an american and proud to be an educator of such special children.
My only hope is that we can all respect each other and realize that the world aint black and white. Nothing is ever what it seems.
Dear Mrs. Kern
I hope people in Oklahoma are not as stupid and I do mean stupid as you are!!!! As a gay man I am very concerned with your comments, how can you possibly compare homosexuality with terroism?? I would love to see a response to that question..As you remove you head from your ass, think about your comments before you speak next time.. as for your comment about two year olds, I find that in todays world I hear alot more straight men being accused of sexual abuse and lewd acts on minors than I do gays! and female teachers having sex with thier male students, but an old red neck like you can only see us as the bad people in this world.. You call yourself a “christian” really I guess being a christian means that only straight people are the safe ones left here in the U.S..oh wait they aren’t safe because I am still here and I am gay oh and I don’t live in your state Thank god!! You and all your bible pushing christians evangelicals can all kiss my rosie red as_!! feel free to call yourself a nazi gay hater the next time you run for office…I hope that the people of you state realize that your stance on homosexuals is comparable to you being a racist.. Have a nioe day and rot in hell you B tch!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPB7bTdz2xQ
I can’t believe this has turned into a battle of who’s right and who’s wrong. What makes our country so great is that we all have the freedom to do what we want, to say what we want and to live how we want. I may not see things your way, and maybe you don’t see things my way, but at least we have a choice. If the gay public is comfortable in their own skin who cares what someone says? It’s as if some homosexuals need “straight” validation to be happy. Get over it. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, even public offcials. Lastly, you can be assured this woman will more than likely be re-elected because the majority of society says homosexuality is wrong. Everyone just needs to mind their business.
To all the christians that defend Sally kerns i have a few questions?
What gay person has the time to recruit 2 year olds? most of them have jobs
If our religion told us that christians, jews, blacks, and everone but white are horrible, Do we have to right to bash them?
Does your God really hate his own creation are are you the ones putting yourself in his place and placing judgement?
People need to realize that not everyone is christian and the hate rhetoric like this is pushing our children away from christianity. People should be concentrated on getting rid of the men who rape , or molest children. Being gay just means you found someone to love and they are the same sex. Love is way better than they hate you spew.
Kern does NOT speak the truth! Truth is something that can be verified with facts, and her information is contrary to the facts. It is used in an inflammatory context – along with inflammatory language bashing Islam – so can be presumed to have been stated with self-serving purposes. Amazing that so many people risk their own credibility by blindly following her, rather than verifying anything she said. Everyone might be entitled to opinions but she was clearly wrong for doing so as a public official who is held to a higher standard of veracity. She abused her power – no doubt to solicit financial support from people at the event; sadly, this is the political process – get folks riled around a perceived common enemy such as communism (in previous years), homosexuality (less used as a tool these days now that the world has generally accepted the co-existence of homosexuality amongst God’s creatures), and nowadays Islam. It’s very effective and nothing more than a fundraising tool. Sad that she would do this – especially now that it’s confirmed that her own son is gay (imagine how her bad parenting has messed her sons up!). Anyway, as the rest of the world moves forward and America continues its attempt to move backward, it’s disastrous for many, many people that real issues such as the economy, education, health insurance can’t be addressed because leaders are out using their public attention to raise funds for themselves.
Angie…Would you be so kind as to quote that in the original language? I’m kind of against attacking people based on some translator’s ‘intrepretation’ of what was said. Thanks.
Angie…Unless you actually lead a Levitical life, quoting a little piece of Leviticus, and ignoring all the rest of it, is intellectually dishonest.
Leslie…The Roman Empire lasted from 738 B.C. (according to Roman Legend) until about 10 AM, Tues., May 29, 1453. That is a pretty long period of time for any human governmental instiution to survive and several more decades than the “few” decades mentioned by Rep. Kerns.
Justin…Nicely written, but you are wasting your time. You see, you and I are among God’s mistakes. Nothing we say or do can change that, at least not in the eyes of the holders of God’s Truth. It all has to do with Salvation. There is no point in being among the elect, the saved, the born again, or whatever the current catch phrase happens to be, unless someone is going to be damned. After the Holocast, it’s really uncool to rag on the Jews. Politically, dissing Blacks is suicide, and the Bible doesn’t mention them now that the ‘mark of Cain’ garbage has died a justified natural death. That leaves us, Dude. Of course, we could deny the magnificent Divine creation that we are, accept that we are mistakes, toe the mark, get on the TV and cry for forgiveness (Hey, it worked for Swaggert…twice). I for one don’t believe that God makes mistakes. He made me who I am. I’d rather stand before Him on Judgement Day and give an accounting of how I lived my life as he made me than explain why I knuckled under and decided that He made a mistake
Praise The LORD Jesus for Sally Kern!!!
Glory be to The LORD Jesus’ Holy Name!!!
Hallelujah!!!
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The gay lifestyle is normal. The heterosexual lifestyle is normal. Is it possible in science to have two norms?
How do gays reproduce? When a black male and a black female produce an infant, the infant will be black. The same for all ethnic groups…..So if a gay male and a gay woman mate, will the infant be gay?
If a gay male and a gay male reproduce, wait at this time an impossibilty!
If a gay female and gay female reproduce through artificial insemination or a one night stand, is the resulting baby going to be gay?
No answers, only scientific questions.
No hate, only scientific questions.
In response to Stephen and Bonita Ann Richie (post #176), I just looked at your website and man alive, you folks have some whacked out theology! (and a horrible web designer)
you know the bible was written by man and not god and NO man is pure.
I love you sally kern! I stand right by her side! she didn’t threat or anything! what ever happened to right of speech! She gave her opinion and she did it good! I know her very well and I know what she was saying and she is 100%
right!
SHE IS THE MOST IGNORANT, INCOMPETENT AND STUPID PERSON I HAVE SEEN SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE REPUBLICAN.
ANYWAY WHAT CAN YOU EXPECT FROM A TRAILER PARK TRASH LIKE HER.
I find it amazing that within Sally’s speech she blasted the so-called “Gay Agenda”, but as yet, no one has called her to task on HER radical agenda. To help clarify things, I give you Sally Kern’s Agenda (satire)
7:30 a.m. – 10:30 a.m. – Hate gays
10:30 a.m. – 10:45 a.m. – break (read another chapter of Mein Kampf)
10:45 a. m. – 12:30 p.m. – Hate Muslims
12:30 p.m. – 1:30 p.m. – Visit Mr Serge’s House of Hair. (thank God he knows his place, and isn’t one of those “uppity dandy’s”)
1:30 p.m. – 2:30 p.m. – Generalized hate
2:30 p.m. – 2:45 p.m. – Break (browse through “Gay Conspiracy Theory Monthly”)
2:45 p.m. – 3:15 p.m. Introduce bill to rename Oklahoma “Jesusland”
3:15 p.m. – 3:45 p.m. – Find some children. Poison minds.
3:45 p.m. – 4:30 p.m. – Hate anyone who isn’t exactly like ME
4:30 p.m. – 5:00 p.m. – Book “Sally Kerns’ Hate-o-Rama” speaking tour.
5:00 p.m. – 5:15 p.m. – Send love note to Rev. Fred Phelps (he’s just dreamy)
5:15 p.m. – 11:00 p.m. – Hate Muslims and Gays evening gathering.
11:00 p.m. -11:15 p.m. – Thank MY Jesus (not that pansy “Love everybody” Jesus, but the “hate everybody who isn’t like ME” Jesus) for another productive and fulfilling day.
It’s when White Trash like Sally Kern is elected by people who are equally as ignorant and bigoted as her, that we have true terrorism on the streets of America. I urge the people of Oklahoma, for their own credibility, to do the right thing and demand that she be swiftly removed from public office (a position which is, at least in part, financially supported by the tax dollars of LGBT in her constituency). People of OK, please do the right thing. Have the integrity of decent people and demand that she leave office.
ok, another thing I’m not allowing on here in the future is the phrase “trailer park trash” or “white trash” to refer to Sally Kerns. (which several recent commenters have used)
First, as far as I know Rep. Kerns doesn’t live in trailer park. But if she did, it would have nothing to do with her homophobia. (I’ve known gay people that live in trailer homes for that matter)
Secondly, I don’t take kindly to people running down poor people. Many rich people are homophobic too.
Lastly, I’m sick of people using convenient cliches to attack hate, that tend to reinforce other prejudices.
Thanks, Representative Kern, for speaking the TRUTH.
God bless you jmb .. and I pray that your great anger will be replaced by God’s peace and understanding at this time of resurrection. homophobia or any other kind of phobia has nothing to do with poverty or wealth. It has everything to do with ignorance and intolerance. I wonder if there is even a sort of phobia that fears people who are simply tired of bigotry and exclusion in the name of Jesus Christ?
Thank heavens for the likes of Ms Kern. She does so much damage to her hateful cause. Not unlike ‘Reverend’ Phelps of the same state and church. She already has proven herself cowardly as well as bigoted. Poor old dear. Now she prefers to hide behind her like-minded crowd of legislative Okies. And here we thought Mississippi, Alabama and Georgia were bad. Pitiful!
Ok JMB .. I have to apologize for being so reactive to your comment regarding WT. It’s not my heart to call anyone such things, but react I do .. and by God’s grace I am slowly, ever so slowly learning to deal with things in a Soul Force manner. So anyway .. please accept my apology.
If she wasn’t being serious, her speech would have been extremely amusing. I simply can’t get my head around how who people love is going to destroy a super-power. I wonder if the new gay chat up line will be “America’s security had better watch out tonight baby!”
Hilter liked gays. Him may have be gay. Do some research!
Rev. Fred Phelps lives in Kansas. Ms Kern lives in Oklahoma. Would a gay person in Oklahoma been known as an Oklahomosexual?
Homosexuality is not natural per Charles Darwin.
I am absolutely disgusted and outrage by sally kern’s recent comments regarding homosexual.
As an Oklahoma Republican state representative, who has taken an oath of office would use her power and promote homophobic hateful, bigoted and un-American views as a way to influence and destroy human life is a travesties. Her words are a clear indention of her lack of knowledge, education, and experience, using the U.S. constitution and the laws of this nation as a platform to continue the spread of evil ways of thinking, while damage lives.
Her threatened ignorance is no different then the entertainment character Don Immus who was fired from CBS in 2007 for speaking his mind on what he thought about a woman’s basketball team. State representative Sally Kern should be held responsible for her preposterous hateful, racial remarks and her so called freedom of speech she expresses are destructive and hate filled illusion.
Speech may be free but is not without question or accountability, and will not be used as an excuse for ignorance. Sally Kern needs to be removed from public office. It is time to establish equal rights and not just talking about the idea. Separate but not equal, is a contradiction and needs to be confronted.
It is amazing to me how many educated people can ignore the truth proven in society after society for several thousand years.
The more “tolerant” we become the more decadent our society bcomes and the younger our children are that are dying in the streets.
The blood of our dead cries out to a Holy God and it will not go un-heard.
GO SALLY!!!!!
The gay lifestyle is normal. The heterosexual lifestyle is normal. Is it possible in science to have two norms?
—ANSWER:
You do not understand science, or the word “normal”. To understand the stupidity of your question consider:
Airplanes are normal. Submarines are normal. Is it possible in science to have two norms?
Science concerns itself with the explanation and utilization of binding laws of the universe which you do *not* have the ability to break. Not *shouldn’t* CANNOT. Like those that stop you from passing through a wall, or pulling two apples from a bag you have placed only one in. Those are the “norms”. The rest are ideology.
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How do gays reproduce? When a black male and a black female produce an infant, the infant will be black. The same for all ethnic groups…..So if a gay male and a gay woman mate, will the infant be gay?
If a gay male and a gay male reproduce, wait at this time an impossibilty!
If a gay female and gay female reproduce through artificial insemination or a one night stand, is the resulting baby going to be gay?
—ANSWER:
This, because you have some simplistic idea of genetic inheritance that goes from parents to children, completely ignoring the existance of active and inactive genes, alleles and traits that can skip generations.
Example: Haemophilia (because you are an idiot, DO note the spelling because it is a blood cloating disorder I refer to) is a genetic disorder yet, none of the parents might suffer from it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haemophilia
::Homosexuality is not natural per Charles Darwin.::
ANSWER:
Another idiot subhuman who sullies the name of SCIENCE!
Not only Charles Darwin didn’t say anything like that (lies), homosexuality is very natural for a simple reason:
IT EXISTS IN NATURE IDIOT!
And no, today is not your lucky “animals do it too” argument day.
Todays is:
WE (HUMANS) ARE PARTS OF NATURE TOO.
EVERYTHING HUMANS DO IS PART OF NATURE.
Why ze heck nature always gets to have a freebie, and we never get to define it? Why when
riversbeavers [corrected by commenter in followup comment] make a dam (construct of intelligence for a purpose using available materials to supplement deficiencies of the body) it is “natural” and when humans do a dam is unatural.Humans are very natural. Our cities are natural. Our actions are natural. Get over it. Now. Since some are homosexual, it is part of nature, period.
“rivers” in the above was supposed to be “beavers” btw
From 176.. I sure hope Bonita does not speak in Church.. that is a sin..
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(1 Corinthians 14:34 / women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says)
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Of course I do not really think this is the spirit of what this means and before the ladies blast me.. I do not think women should be silent in church.
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I am just using this to show how those who are the holy ones.. pick and choose what they apply and what they ignore.
But.. it is always interesting how the fake “Christians” spend all their time finding what others are doing wrong.. and never thinking where they may be sinning.. hmm.. Judging for one!! The True Christians.. spend their time showing and giving God’s love.. not telling everyone they have it.
hmmm.. Looks like Sally’s Church is praying for her.. Sally still things that it is others that are filled with hate.. and her Church is just supporting her to be hate filled.
http://www.olivetbaptistokc.com/news1.html
Sally’s husband is a baptist minster. He thinks Sally has been so mistreated.. whatever happend for personal responsibility. did she not bring this on her self?
Sally states: Homosexuality is more of a threat to us than terrorism. I understand that only a MORON would think this way, considering terrorism IS THE BIGGEST AND MOST DANGEROUS THREAT IN THE US OF A, not homosexuality. Maybe she needs to visit OZ and get a brain.
Sally Kerns and those that think like her are simply ignorant, brainwashed, failures of the education system and twisted churches that preach hatred. I thought Christianity’s main tenant was to help those less fortunate and the oppressed. Methinks these so-called “Christians” have never actually taken the time to understand the teachings of their so-called “savior”.
And what’s with the person above who calls him/herself “Wise One” when their statements are anything but? Talk about a misguided sense of self. Wisdom implies actually taking the time to study and ponder the subtleties of life and the world in which we live. Not spouting meaningless platitudes like a freaking robot. Intolerance is bred of fear and ignorance “Wise One”.
If she would have said the same thing about drug dealers everyone would support her. But since she is speaking about gays everyone is attacking her. If you ask me those who are speaking out against her are hypocrits. They are saying that she is stupid or calling her some other inapropriate name. All of the gays that are claiming to be “Christians” need to get in their Bible. Ps 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them. But gays don’t love God’s law because they violate it.
This makes me sick -literally nauseous. That people can be so nasty and so ignorant…. it’s just horrible. And to think she holds a position of some power in our country! The last thing we need in the US is more bigotry. And I really wish people would stop using the “it goes against God” argument- this is America, it’s called separation of church and state people. This woman is a disgrace to our country- a failure in general. She is ignorant and bigoted and really needs to educate herself about the facts. As a bisexual woman, comments like that really hurt. I mean, what did we ever do to her? Why would you assume it’s okay to stereotype and catergorize people that way? The LGBT community are people too you know, we deserve to be treated as such.
This woman needs a serious wake-up call.
*LGBT PRIDE*
And another thing. What about the shooting of the young boy in California back in February. Lawrence King (15) was shot in killed at his school by a classmate for being gay. Is that okay Sally?
Sally makes me proud to be an American! She has the guts to tell the truth when in todays world all people want is lies cloaked in the guise of education and enlightenment. WAY TO GO SALLY!!! Never give up, never give up, never give up!!!
One more thing, I am amazed by the number of people that think Jesus Christ approves or worse yet made them a homosexual. That is a lie straight from Satan. Read your Bible and you’ll see that homosexuals will spend eternity in the lake of fire. The Bible is the inspired word of God and you better read it with an open mind or you’ll regret it forever.
Sally Kern – thank you for making such comments. Our society needs the truth more than ever before. Most people do not relise how dangerous homosexuality is to the well being of our nation and society. Political correctness prevails and simple universal truths are non existing in everyday life. We need more politicians like you to open collective conscience and make a difference. Thank you again Ms. Kern.
To crc:
How is what she says the truth? That gay people are more of a threat than terrorists? I vividly recall the day that the World Trade Centers fell because TERRORISTS flew planes into them, NOT gays.
And people like you really have to stop spouting words form the bible. First off, not everyone is Christian and this being America, poeple have the freedom of religion. To base things off of religion is ignorant and makes no sense- there are many religions in the world, all of which say different things on different matters. Why do you automatically assume yours is the one int he right? What proof do you have? My own religion teachs absolute love of everyone and unconditional acceptance, INCLUDING gay people. And as a bisexual woman who wants to do nothing but help bring peace to this world, I don’t understand how you can say I’m the spawn of Satan. I wish to join the Peace Corps and help people in any way I can. Does that make me satanic and unclean?
You really need to think before you speak and to further examine the words of your precious bible. You’re not a very good Christian si you teach hate. We don’t need more hate in this country. Not to say that I don’t understand a person’s right to free speech, but as a state representative, Kerns should show some form of restraint. There are many within the LGBT community who struggle enough with who they are, they don’t need people like her making it worse. They’re HUMAN BEINGS just like you and need to be treated like such.
To CRC (post #208): Thanks for proving my point.
Telling homosexuals that they “spend an eternity in a lake of fire” is only one step removed from the hate of the Rev. Fred Phelps who says that “God hates fags.” This is why I think that Sally Kern and her supporters are really not that different than Phelps and his band of bigots.
To me it is illogical to say that God loves gay people, but will also torture them forever and ever if they don’t repent.
I should also say that I don’t believe in the concept of a literal hell. I think we make our own hell when we live in ways harmful to ourselves and others, but I don’t think God will torture us for our sins in the afterlife.
Some of you people are really horrible, you know that? Do you even care how much you hurt people by some of the things you say? DO you have any idea of the consequences such intolerant and bigoted attitudes can have. Everyone should READ THIS ARTICLE before they say anything:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-oxnard17feb17,1,1523425.story
Read that and then talk. Is that okay? Is it okay he was killed because he was okay? Does it matter?
another blog that discusses Kern
http://blogs.n1zyy.com/n1zyy/2008/03/23/lunacy/
Just the environmental savings of reduced greenhouse gas emissions alone have me wishing that there really were a race of Vulcans, because learning of the existence of these poisonous hatespewing cretins, they would doubtless renounce pacifism in a heartbeat and waste the whole lot of them – especially that cancerous growth in the White House that has polluted the world with its putrid presence way too far long. I never heard of This Gal Sal before, but if the peoples of Oklahoma elected it on a platform of mindless pungent ignorance on this scale, then they deserve the shame it’s brought to their reputation. We don’t gotta ask How Low Can They Go, because they keep answering it over and over, and worse and worse. Mega Hyper Ultra Pathetic.
The truth hurts. Or so I’ve been told.
And Sally Kern’s truthfull speech seems to have hurt a lot of people. Too bad.
The truth is that to Bible believing Christians, homosexuality is an ABOMINATION to God. It DOES say so in the Bible and no amount of rationalizing can ghange that fact.
And as far as hate speech is concerned, I hear far, far, far more hatefull speech and name calling coming for the pro homosexual side than Iv’e heard for the anti gays.
If someone wants to lead an active homosexual life style, that’s between them and God. But STOP trying to teach my children that it is an acceptable, healthy life style because it is NOT.
I have known many gay people in my life and most of them have been (nice as they may be) emotionaly unstable and rather disruptive in the work place.You don’t have to believe me, but that has been my experiance.
None of what I have said is ment to give lisence to hating gays or anyone else. I do not hate gay people. I try always to judge each person on thier own merits. And not by where they are from,or the color of their skin, or their religon, or their sexuality.
BUT! I DO reserve the right to believe what the Bible tells me. And the right to give VOICE to those beliefes.
In my opinion Sally Kerns is right. And she too has the right, and the duty to say what she believes.
How stupid can one be. She should be ashamed of herself to spread such hatred. As if any gay person is interested in a 2 year old one!? I believe, these poor infants are primarily – if at all – molested by straight people. She should get her facts before making stupid statements, such as entire societies being erased by gays. Where does it say, that the roman or greek empire went under because of homosexuals. Go back to school and get an education in history, Ms. Kern!
old enough to know – I am a gay man who is well educated person who is not disruptive at work and in a loving relationship. In fact I work with lots of straight people who are disruptive and very emtionaly unstable. I have one women (who is very educated) I work with who loves to spit in people’s water bottles all day. If that aint emotionaly unstable I dont know what is. But hay thats okay cause she is not gay. I work with some straight macho men who physically hurt the autistic students in my school but remember they are straight so its A OKAY!!!! I am gay and would never do such a thing nor would I ever touch them improperly but according to Ms. Kern and some people here I should not be in the education field. OH COME ON!!! Let get real!
Not everyone is Christian and beleives in the bible. You do and that is great but not everyone. I am Catholic and gay and I go to church every week because the GOD I was taught in Catholic school is loving and forgiving. I had crushes on other men in my class since second grade when on earth at that age did I get satan in me. Liking guys has always been a part of me. PERIOD. It is unreal how people think gay folks just do this to be so deviant and naughty!!
I am a good human, aint perfect but a decent person. And we are NOT teaching children to be gay or that it is a healthy lifestyle. How are we doing this? Please tell me? I want to know. Just by saying that is hateful. It hurts me very much escpecially being a person who has worked very hard in the education field. I just don’t get it.
Remember the bible was written by men not GOD. GOD was not Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. You believe what you want but I never chose to be gay. And I dont force it on people. Gay people want respect.
old enough to know – another thing you say you dont hate gay people but you you make a statement saying that we are disruptive unhealthy. Those are nasty things to say about a group of people. The gay people you may have met are like that but there are so many that are not. That is being hateful.
Again you are hiding behind your words! You say you dont hate gays but then you say that we are teaching YOUR children and that we are unstable. You are making incorrect assumptions and to a person who is gay like myself I view that as hateful. This whole discussion just blows my mind away because I can’t believe that people actually believe that gay men and women are out to teach society this. Homesexuality has existed since the begining of time. I grew up in a straight house hold no one ever taught me this! No one taught my partner either. So how did I learn to be gay? Unreal so unreal. You will never now how it is to be gay and to read all of these comments. Breaks my heart. Maybe thats why we are unstable (according to you). We have to constantly explain and defend our love to everyone. Ain’t easy my friend. Peace.
In response to “Old enough to know” (commenter #216) who said — “If someone wants to lead an active homosexual life style, that’s between them and God. But STOP trying to teach my children that it is an acceptable, healthy life style because it is NOT.”
What is your proof that the “homosexual lifestyle” is not healthy?
And for that matter, could you define “homosexual lifestyle”? That term is about as worthless as the term “heterosexual lifestyle.” There are oodles of different kinds of relationships. How can there be just one kind of “lifestyle”?
Also you said — “I have known many gay people in my life and most of them have been (nice as they may be) emotionaly unstable and rather disruptive in the work place.You don’t have to believe me, but that has been my experiance.”
What do you mean by “disruptive in the workplace”? Can you give one example of being “disruptive in the workplace”?
Also you said — “None of what I have said is ment to give lisence to hating gays or anyone else. I do not hate gay people. I try always to judge each person on thier own merits. And not by where they are from,or the color of their skin, or their religon, or their sexuality. BUT! I DO reserve the right to believe what the Bible tells me. And the right to give VOICE to those beliefes.”
That is B.S. You claim you don’t judge gay folks, but you think they are…
1. “emotionally unstable,”
2. “unhealthy,”
3. “disruptive in the workplace”
4. practicing an unacceptable and un-biblical lifestyle
If that’s not judging, then I don’t know what it is.
In response to “Old enough to know” (commenter #216):
Oh as for the abomination thing, the Old Testament of the Christian scriptures says that many things are abominations, including..
1. an idol
2. adultery
3. haughty eyes
4. cheating in the market using rigged weights
5. eating seafood that lacks fins and scales
6. eating bats
7. remarrying someone who was previously divorced
(see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abomination_%28Bible%29#Analysis_of_the_term for a listing of the various references to the word “abomination”)
BTW, if you want to be a literalist, then I suggest you should join the group
http://www.godhatesshrimp.com
Oh shoot! Another Okie favorite is an ABOMINATION!
Yes, CATFISH ARE AN ABOMINATION!
http://www.bluethread.com/kashrut/catfish-NOT.html
Ok. The work place comment was probably unnecessary. But since it’s there, all I can say is; that has been MY experience. If others have different experiences that’s great.
I am well aware that there several things that God calls abominations but I believe the subject is and was homosexuality so that is what I was addressing.
Also, I am well aware that at least some if not most homosexuals are born that way. It still does not make it right to practice homosexuality. Having the desire to do something is one thing. Acting on that desire is another.
No, I don’t hate anyone that I know of. I may really dislike some people but that is because of how they have treated me or the people I love, NOT because of their lifestyle. No I do not judge the person, I judge the actions.
I believe that homosexuality is wrong. And for that I make no apology. And I DO NOT want my children, or anyone else’s children taught that it is not.
I fear that Ms. Kerns’ mental state has deteriorated so severely because she has absorbed a toxic dose of permanent wave fluid. It can slowly poison you.
I am also quite concerned that language arts is apparantly not a requirement for home schooling in Oklahoma. ‘Tis a shame that Ms. Kerns does not make THAT her raison d’être. It would do so much more good than her venomous attacks, pitiful as they may be.
Sally is right on the money…the TRUTH.
Pray for the gays, they will need it. They can change!
oldenoughtoknow if you beleive that some gay and lesbians are born that way then why must we not be who we are? You were obviously born heterosexual so you are who you are. And if you beleive that some gays and lesbians are born that way then how on earth will your kids learn it unless they were born that way! Mamma mia this is the very contradiction I always hear. So I know I was born this way. According to you I should not be who I am and I should find a women and marry and have kids and what does this prove? That I lied to myself and my wife and my kids and my likely hood of commiting adultry with a man would be at a 95% chance. Dont you see that actually promotes promiscuity among gays! The way my life is now I live the way I was born – a gay man and I found my love and I am happy. In a monogomus stable relationship for just about 5 years and I have watched many of my heterosexual counterparts go to and fro in and out of relationships and cheating left and right.
I just dont get people who are anti-gay. Again no one can all agree cause you dont live my life. You have no idea how it is to be gay but we want respect and by saying we teach children is not respectful.
One does not need to fly planes into a building to be a threat to our nation. The bible provides complete instruction on how we are to function as sexual beings and it is all related to the institution of marriage between a man and a woman (one flesh). This marriage produces fruit as we are commanded. The NT speaks volumes on the order of God. If you listen carefully to what Kern spoke you will see no hate. I love enough to share Truth and He walked with us and we rejected Him. Repent and Fear the Lord your God.
In what sad little hate-filled alternative universe are you people living in?
You are welcome to join the rest of us in the real world where gays and lesbians are respected members of society, good neighbors, productive employees, fast friends and wonderful parents. In a word: NORMAL.
Surprised she hasn’t tried shacking up with Fred Phelps out here in Topeka, KS.. Please someone do Phelps & Kern Garfield-style and box em up for shipping to Abu Dhabi!
A public “Rally for Sally” is scheduled for Wednesday, April 2 at the State Capitol, beginning at 11:30 a.m. Come out and show your support for this great Oklahoman.
One would think that a political party that professed limited government, economic freedom and individual rights and freedom would win by landslides every election. But as long as the GOP feels it necessary to appease the ignorant, bigoted theocracy crowd (whether in rhetoric or in actuality), they will alienate more voters than they attract. I know many successful “evil rich” people who consider democrat economic policy to be disasterous, are tired of being unfairly taxed for actually working, are concerned about national security among a myriad of other things Democrats fail at miserably. Yet they will not vote for a Republican because of this “religious right” bunch. I am one of them.
Hank,
would you be so kind as to do your OWN research on how the translation process occured.
Justin,
The Bible was not written by men it was written by God using men to pen it on scrolls.
For all of you who are against the Word of God…….please don’t wait until your death bed to decide you’ve made the wrong decision. Please consider that you do have a soul and that your soul will spend eternity somewhere (Heaven or Hell).
What used to be wrong is now right/acceptable and what used to be right is now wrong/despised as evidenced on this website.
Consider your life and the fact that you will be held accountable for your actions. This is a fact and you not believing in it won’t make it go away.
Dear Bible Thumpers,
Please go form your own political party where you can espouse all the fear and paranoia of your evangelical/pentecostal leaders. Or better yet, emmigrate to another country where there is NO seperation between religion and law already. There are plenty of places in Africa and The Middle East to accomodate you. Iran hangs those terrible homosexuals in public! Imagine the excitement, the righteousness, the glee of cleansing the “impure” from your society. As we know, homosexuality is a “choice”, and obviously a “choice” that you are concerned about on a daily basis. Perhaps homosexuality is a communicable disease? I don’t know, since I have never caught it. And if they are actively “recruiting”, well none of my gay friends have ever even attempted to persuade me. Even if they did, I have no interested in buggery. Why do you? Face it, methinks thou dost protest TOO much. Maybe you could pick a state to move to among other paranoid and ignorant people, such as South Carolina, and secceede from the Republic. We wouldn’t miss you one bit. You would be free to teach creation “science” in your schools, throw unwed pregnant women in concentration camps until they have those babies you care so much about (yeah, right) and you could shoot suspected faggots on sight! Surely, by your example, the rest of the continent would be utterly amazed and run screaming to your “Land of God” like moths to flame.
For those of you who are saying the Bible calls catfish an abomination.
Please study that out. That portion of scripture is for the JEWS not the Gentiles. (everyone that is not a Jew)
All that that is saying is that catfish is not kosher. You should all be happy to know that that whole portion of scripture is written for the Jews.
So quit trying to use the Bible to contradict the Bible because you are proving your ignorance.
P.S. If gays don”t repent of their all sins not just homosexuality and get saved they will unfortunately go to hell along with everyone else who does not get saved.
Response to Keenan (comment #239):
Could you please explain to me why the scriptures condemning catfish in the Leviticus only apply to the Jews, but the scriptures condemning homosexuality apply to everyone.
As to me “proving my ignorance,” let me ask you, have you read Bible cover-to-cover?
If not, then don’t tell me that I’m ignorant.
The Bible is a good book, and I do believe it is inspired and contains truth within it. I’m convinced of that after reading it.
I’m also convinced that there is a lot of crap in it too, that unfortunately is the result of the patriarchy and prejudice of its day.
I think God gave us a brain so we can read the Bible thoughtfully and intelligently. It is ancient literature and it is foolish to think that it is all literal and relevant to today.
Let me see here. This whole thing reeks of seeking to codify religious belief into law. Now just how long a prison sentence should be meted out for two constenting adults of the same sex in a relationship? Probation? Five years? Life without parole? (never mind that homosexuality is rampant in prisons – probably club med for them). And since God is sending them to hell for all eternity, what difference does life in prison make? Eternity is something like forever with no end in sight – that’s a long time. So if God is all at the ready to do a much better job of punishing them, does it really make any sense to waste our tax dollars and clog up our prisons for consensual, victimless “criminals” when they are on a one way ticket to eternal damnation? Or are you not so sure that God might forgive them so it is your duty to make life as miserable on them while you still have a chance?
Would love to hear your oh so logical response to this.
As it turns out, sally Kern is an unoriginal bigot. She got the theme of her speech from a cheesy movie put out by the American Family Association…
http://blueoklahoma.org/showDiary.do?diaryId=285
Stupid people shouldn’t breed. I hope this IGNORANT EVIL woman gets kicked out of office. She should be supporting gays, she’s a woman, doesn’t she remember what it was like to fight for her right to even vote (the old bat is probably old enough to remember)!! Women, blacks, and gays have all had to FIGHT for equality and it’s still a “white mans” country. WHY would she open her mouth and let ignorance VOMIT from between those stiff lips of hers. WAKE UP SALLY, gays have been here for a LONNNNGGGG TIME!! You should be ashamed of yourself, and by all means enjoy your last term in office, cause I won’t be casting my vote for you.
If i’m going to hell then at least i’ll be there with all my friends and we’ll all be half naked partying!!! you stuck up Christian right wing supremests will all be in heaven trying to get your heads further up your asses. Enjoy!
S.Penny – is this how you feel about black people too in the 60’s? Or were you one of those self hating jews, who believed the holocust should have happened?
again, stupid people shouldn’t breed.
Angie I am a gay man who attened Catholic School from Kindergarten through 12th grade. I remember specificaly in Theology the Deacon (a very active Republican as well who drew devil ears on Hillary Clinton’s picture and hung it in class) that taught us the bible was written by men based on the word of GOD. He taught us that GOD came down and gave the 10 commandments (oh wait thats part of the “Jewish” bible as one poster said – does that count? Of course it does but according to one poster it does not the GENTILE version seems to be accurate). Like I said before I am practicing Catholic and gay and proud I can beleive in GOD and live as I was created by GOD.
My biggest question: if what you say is true that gays will burn in hell and heterosexuals will live in heaven why do you care? So if I burn in hell why do you care? Why does anyone care? And if you are going to say because you care about me that is not accurate very many people here both gay and straight have NOT acted in a caring manner with their comments. So then why all of a sudden the worry and concern? And I would appreciate not hear that we will lure children in and that we are a threat to marriage. Aside from that why? Why are yo so concerned?
I hope for all of us we just live in peace. This whole thing is so sad. Life is so short why are we going back and forth about how one feels about same sex love between two adults? Current terrorism and the war has nothing to do with gay people, or how the terrorists hate our freedom. Its about mula and oil. Both parties in our country are corrupt and those planes went into those buildings and the pentagon because of greed and politcs.
You are right about one thing. Being gay will not, in and of itself, send you to hell. At least to Christians, hell is reserved for unsaved people. People who do not accept Christ as their Lord and Saviour.
Many of the gay people profess to be Christian. I’m glad for you who are, and I do not dispute your claim. That would be as wrong as someone disputing my Christianity.
The question then is; If one is a Christian, does that person want to continually do something that God calls, not just a sin but, an abomination? I don’t know about you, but that idea kind of scares me.
And for those of you who say you believe in heaven but not in hell, think about it. If there is no hell then what is the insensitive to fight our sinful human nature? Why would we feel the need to resist the urge to sin. Why would many many of us even try to lead good lives.
one last thing. Quit trying to convince us heterosexuals that homosexuality is anything but repulsive. It aint gonna happen! Just the idea is enough make most of us sick.
Those of us who are more tolerant, will and do accept your right to be gay. But we will not ever believe that it is “right”. It is as foreign to us as, say, jumping of a 1,000 ft. cliff without a parachute.
Being heterosexual is foreign to me just as homosexuality is foreign to many. As a man I am no way attracted to a female. Sure women can be pretty but I don’t understand. Back in my denial days in college I actually dated a girl (the only time I ever did) hoping I would “cure” myself. I figured if I was finally with a women my secret gay thoughts I had since I was a kid would magicaly disapear. I went so far to sleep with her or I tried at least. She realized while we were in the “midst of things” that I was gay. I cried that night with her than alone when I got home I realized that I was truly gay one of the hardest things I had to face was to be true to myself.
I think to say that being gay is repulsive is a harsh word. My life is not repulsive it’s actually a happy life. The only thing that makes it hard is defending it. But I plan on making myself heard. I am not a freak of nature, repulsive, a mistake. I am human, a man, a partner, a brother, a son, a friend, a teacher. I am someone to the people I love and repulsive I am not.
What she says is truth. If she’s willing to stand up against destructive and obviously, wrong, behavior, then she is proving her love for you and the gay community. How is it wrong for her to stand up against what she believes (and what the LORD says) is wrong. I applaude her for taking a stand and being an outstanding representative.
What a disgusting bigot. This isn’t about Jesus, Islam (well, except for the fact that she finds it threatening), or any other religion. This is about some ignorant, southern hate monger voicing her false opinion and, quite frankly, lacking education. Homosexuality dooms society? When? Is she confusing same-sex relations with imperialism? Not that I want to live in Oklahoma in the first place, but what are you people smoking down there to elect such a ridiculous extremist?
How dare she claim to be capable to REPRESENT us when she is willing to state that some of her own people, within her own jurisdiction, are worse than terrorists. I am personally hurt. I literally told someone just today that I had seen an article stating that with today’s trends people are becoming more and more accepting of us… And she responded with, “What about Sally Kern?”
I had finally come to believe it would be safe to openly tell people that I am a homosexual, with another woman to brighten my life and bring me joy. I have been corrected. This has shattered my hopes. I once said I refused to leave Oklahoma because of the weather- because of the atmosphere of the people- and because it’s my home. It’s all I’ve ever known. Now, I must finally ask;
Is there any other place in the Union that will accept me? I think it’s time that I tear up roots and relocate. This has made me physically ill. Goodbye, Oklahoma.
To Justin
I’m sorry that you have been unfortunate enough to sit under Catholic teachings. I believe they are false teachers and do not teach the scriptures. As I have been posting all along it is important that each and everyone of us read the scripture for ourselves.
The bible was written by over 40 men (used by God to pen his words), these men were from 3 different continents and it was written over 1500 years. There isn’t a man alive (then or now) that could write the Word of God as it is written. Do not be fooled……read it for yourself and don’t wait around for someone else to spoon feed it to you.
Rep. Sally Kern Slaps P-FLAG’s Other Cheek
Kern Insists P-FLAG is Lying and Dissembling
Too Close to Home?
(OKLAHOMA CITY) After Rep. Sally Kern met with three community leaders, one of whom is the president of the Oklahoma City P-FLAG chapter, in her Oklahoma City capital office on Thursday, March 27, P-FLAG issued the following statement—
P-FLAG blog:
http://www.pflag.org/blog/?p=165
However, Rep. Kern says P-FLAG used the meeting to put words in her mouth which she did not say. You can read her rebuttal statement here:
http://americansfortruth.com/news/sally-kern-rejects-pflag-account-of-meeting.html or http://tinyurl.com/ypfc73
I believe the meeting was recorded and that whatever was said by either party can be verified. This additional recording should be very valuable in the near future.
As I’ve said before when dealing with rabid religious fundamentalists it is not possible to expect them to behave in the way they are usually treated by our progressive friends, that is with civility and respect and the expectation the fundies will honor the words they have said. Since they act figuratively rabid, so should they be handled with figurative very thick gloves and a large physical distance between you and them.
I am acquainted with the three people with whom Rep Kern met, all of them of the progressive, religious mode of thinking and action, and I have no doubt of their honesty and integrity.
For Rep. Kern to state clearly and unequivocally that she was “used” in her discussion with them is nearly tantamount to the original outrageous speech she made that was recorded on Youtube. You can hear the complete audio from which the Youtube post was made of her speech and the transcript here: http://www.equalrightsproject.com/
This example of double-speak shows that Rep. Kern and her Konservative Korps of followers, that now includes the Thomas Moore Law Center http://www.thomasmore.org, and the American Family Association, http://www.afa.net, are not to be trusted.
Just as with Fred Phelps and his “God Hates Fags” project, the second move Kern has made after gaining your attention with blood-curdling words is to then claim any criticism of Kern makes her a victim, violating her First Amendment freedoms, and the criticizer is the perpetrator of suppression.
Kern does not know what responsibility means, she does not know the difference between free speech and irresponsible speech.
With the information here http://tinyurl.com/yqe8kk you can let Rep. Kern know who you think is telling the truth, she or P-FLAG.
Here is a link to another story in the Oklahoman newspaper in Oklahoma City: http://newsok.com/article/3222587/1206766864
with more explanation from Loyce Newton-Edwards, the OKC P-FLAG president.
In my opinion the P-FLAG members are acting honorably so I have to wonder why Rep. Kern would now be adverse to any further meetings with the Oklahoma City chapter of P-FLAG.
P-FLAG is as non-partisan as a gay/lesbian support group can get since it’s a 501(c)3 tax-deductible organization.
Having talked face-to-face with gay-friendly advocates does Kern feel that further contact with Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays is raising too much heat in her own kitchen for comfort?
James Nimmo
Oklahoma City
Angie said: “I’m sorry that you have been unfortunate enough to sit under Catholic teachings. I believe they are false teachers and do not teach the scriptures. As I have been posting all along it is important that each and everyone of us read the scripture for ourselves.”
Talk about bigotry. Some of my dearest friends are Catholics, and believe me, they live sacrificial lives of service. I don’t agree with all of their theology (as I don’t agree with any religious tradition 100% of the time), but I think the Catholic tradition has a lot to teach us.
Oscar Romero, Dorothy Day, Thomas Merton, Mother Theresa, these are just a few that come to mind.
sorry i hit submit too quick — I left off this from the last sentence of that last post “… these are just a few of the Catholic heroes of the faith from the past century. These folks showed us how to live like Jesus lived and should be respected and emulated. I have yet to find any protestant folks of the same caliber.”
What scares me with this discussion is those that wish to make this hate speech and therefor outlawed. So they would wish the government to tell us how to think and talk? If we can’t have open, honest and frank discussions like this we are certainly headed from trouble. For those that like government to tell you what you can say or do, think about this. What if the most radical religious leader became president and dictated what was considered hate speech. What is someone like Hiter controls our speech and actions???
Okay, let me get this straight – one side in this debate thinks it’s perfectly acceptable for a man to take his erect penis and insert it into another’s man’s anus until he ejaculates and call this “gay” and that the entire world should call this “normal”. The other side of the debate says this is “abnormal” and since it calls this practice into question is to be considered “unenlightened” by the “gay” crowd? And then, unless we want to be as “uneligntened” as Rep. Kern, we should call for her immediate removal from public office because she thinks this behavior to be aberrant? I don’t think so. She’s entitled to her opinion and her position until someone wants to run against her and beat her. That’s what America is all about. Until then, the incredibly small minority of people that are “gay” should go quietly into their bedrooms and not try to cram their lifestyle down everyone else’s throats.
What is there about this part of the country that attracts nut cases like Ms Kern? “Reverend” Fred Phelps also comes to mind. It there really such an abundance of ignorance and hatred abounding in these shameful areas?
I’m glad she isn’t my mother, my representative, neighbor or teacher. God protect us from your “Christians.”
Oh god…
I’m so disappointed that an elected official, and suppposedly “educated” woman thinks like this. This IS hate speech. Her “opinions” shes passing off as facts are completely unfounded. And to seriously insinuate that homosexuals are worse than terrorists… Is she joking?!
I’m glad I don’t live in Oklahoma. I’d be embarassed right about now if I did.
Well, I tend to agree that what Rep Kern said is disagreeable, but I don’t agree that it is hateful. To hold a basic belief that a certain value system is intruding into your world and to view that intrusion as a threat is NOT hate speech. It is simply the sharing of views.
Furthermore, I don’t think the we would agree with the various beliefs of any elected official no matter how closely aligned we might be with them. It is fine to hold an elected office and have a basic belief that runs contrary to the beliefs of some.
I have to ask, “Why is HER speech considered hate while a number of assertions made in these comments NOT considered hate?”
I agree with what Mrs. Kerns speaks of. Gays are bad for America I mean think about it, gay people cannot naturally produce more human beings. They have to bring in outside sources which is not what God had intended. God put Adam and Eve on this world to populate with their gametes, he didnt put Adam and Adam, or Eve and Eve because he knew that two men, or two women could not populate the earth. Long live the United States of America!!!
What amazes me is that the vast majority of people who “stand up” against gays do so in the name of Christianity… Yet Jesus never had a single word to say about homosexuality. Still, if we were to assume being gay to be a sin, as many Christians do, we would only need to look to Jesus’ example to know how to treat them – Jesus embraced sinners and showed them nothing but compassion. He did not make public statements denouncing them. He did not make false accusations against them. And he certainly did not compare them to cancer or blame them for the fall of societies. Though he was the Son of God, he did not take it upon even himself to “stand up” against sinners. Instead, he simply loved them. And the only people he “stood up” against were those who felt themselves to be the experts on scripture, God and his will – the Pharisees.
Those cheering on Kern in the name of Jesus would do well to ask themselves if they are truly emulating the one they claim to serve.
i won’t even go into the aggressive stupidity behind a thought process such as hers where gay people are more of a threat to the nation than terrorists
no, what’s most interesting to me is that ms kern is so concerned about standing up for the truth of god’s word and she will not apologise for doing so
well if that’s the case then she needs to realise she should sit the hell down, because according to the bible that i’m sure she loves to quote:
1 Timothy 2:11-14
“Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.”
or in other words, she should shut her filthy mouth
😉
if ms kern is so concerned about the word of god, maybe she forgot these words…
1 Timothy 2:11-14
“Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.”
Here’s some more blog commentary…
http://www.middleragedpunk.com/2008/03/31/free-speech-isnt-always-free/
http://al-alexdotcom.blogspot.com/2008/03/sally-kern.html
And here’s a pretty good op-ed from the Moore, OK newspaper…
http://www.themooreamerican.com/opinion/local_story_087113941.html?keyword=topstory
Ms. Kern, and the rest of you dumb mongrels…show the facts. Saying “you know” does not show scientific fact. Show me one gay 20 year old looking to teach a toddler to come out and be beaten up by other school children. Let Sally Kern beware that she would never get elected anywhere that electoral votes mattered, west coast and east coast would spit in her hair.
Who does she think designed those shoes and makeup shes wearing? This folks hold no validity – being an idiot she can’t help but speak from her butt.
“You cannot separate your faith from life,” she (Sally Kern) said.
Anyone who thinks this way should not be allowed in government in the FREE United States of America, a place thats supposed to have a separation of church and state. Get her out!
Hey jmb, in response to your response. The reason that Leviticus is for the Jews is because that is God’s covanent for the Jews. The first five books of the Bible together are known as the Pentateuch. These five books are historical books.Question. If God created human beings and said homosexuality is wrong than how can a human be born gay? If they could than God would be a hypocrit. Also I think your statment about not completely following the Bible is foolish. Even though I understand it.
FOR CRYING OUT LOUD PEOPLE!!
IT’S OKLAHOMA!!!
I was thinking about this whole Sally Kern remarks and all and how she said that “homosexuality” brought down civilizations. She really has her history very wrong. And she was a teacher! Before WWII Germany was a rather accepting place for the “homosexual” community. However Hitler’s Natzi party who began to rise to power felt that gays and lesbians (especially gay men), Jews and others were a threat to society so he wanted to cleanse society of them. Well he tried and what happen was that he eventually lost. He was never succesful at doing so. In the end people suffered horrible inhumane deaths and were subject to disgusting and intolerable experiments. You can’t tell me that gay people have brought down societies. My point here is that people were living their life rather openely and then came Hitler who beleived that homosexuality and Jews especially were “ruining” society so HE brought down Germany society not the gays. If he would have left everything alone people would not have died such horrific deaths! Hitler wanted to play GOD and create a super race. To me so many similarites to the radical people in our country who want to rid homosexuality. For what? To make a super race of people who all beleive the same thing. History repeats itself because so many people never learn. I guess Sally Kern forgot about this peice of history. Shame on her.
Speech like this bigot’s is how Hitler got the German people to support the Final Solution of the “Jewsih problem”. It is disgusting, and very unchristian. The woman must win the hypocrit of the year award
Dear Youtube,
I support Sally Kern, R-Oklahoma City 150% and we incourage people to support her and take a stand against the gay agenda in the US because it is dangerous to our nation, just look at Sodom and Gomorrah, God judges nations for their sin. We must protect marrige, we must protect our children, and we must defeat the gay agenda, I say God bless Sally Kern and may God raise up more righteos leadership like her! Homosexuality is still sin! Levticus 18:22
LOL!!
I cannot say she shouldn’t be speaking her mind. This is America and all people have the right to free speech. But, whether or not she is right is a totally different story.
I think the bible has flaws. For one, it has been “revised” and that is bad. It has been translated into A LOT of different languages and that is bad because it is very easy to get the translation wrong. So using the bible to defend you opinion will not get you very far with me. If god despises gays THEN WHY AM I AND SO MANY OTHER PEOPLE IN THE WORLD GAY?! And don’t say it is a test because it’s not. God is loving not hateful. Leviticus 18:22(Daniel spelled it wrong) sounds like it was written by a homophobe. That to me is plain and simple.
Also, there was a comment that I read that said that there was too much teaching of homosexuality in the Nations schools. I for one, being a high school student, hear absolutely nothing about gay rights or homosexuality in the classrooms. In fact, in one of my classes I was yelled at for saying the word homosexual (in a public school!).
As to what Sally said, I don’t think she is very smart. The Romans did support gays and they ruled for over 1,000 years! That is a little more than “you know, a few decades.” The downfall of the Roman empire wasn’t even homosexuality. It was a actually the fact that there were too many bad emperors. The economy failed and down it went.(This took a couple HUNDRED years) After that, it was the obsession over the bible that caused that world to loose 1,000 years of development…
to listen to this woman speak with such words of hate, brings tears to my eyes. i am just seventeen years old, and i feel that i have a more open heart than this cold woman who i am embarrassed to say represents a part of our political system. i sit here and try to think of reasons why she would be so cold, and i can only come up with the fact that she is blind and ignorant to happiness. maybe her backwoods, low-life self needs to take a step back and realize that it is not we are not perverts, or sick in head..but some of us have gone through tramatic experiences, and have found ways to pick ourselves up through love. love is a beautiful thing, and i’ll be damned if anyone tries to put shame to that. love is one of the rarest pure things still found in this corrupt world, and people should be ashamed for trying to put that down. if she wants to berid of the hateful and corrupt and ugly world we now live in, she should consider the first step in doing so, by purchasing a one way ticket out of this country.
to listen to this woman speak with such words of hate, brings tears to my eyes. i am just seventeen years old, and i feel that i have a more open heart than this cold woman who i am embarrassed to say represents a part of our political system. have you learned nothing about what hate and intolerance can bring? how about Matthew Shepherd, or Teena Brandon? if there is no compassion in your heart to feel remorse for those two hero’s, and the thousands like them, then are you even human? or just a robotic souless tyrant? i sit here and try to think of reasons why she would be so cold, and i can only come up with the fact that she is blind and ignorant to happiness. maybe her backwoods, low-life self needs to take a step back and realize that we are not perverts, or sick in head..but some of us have gone through tramatic experiences, and have found ways to pick ourselves up through love. love is a beautiful thing, and i’ll be damned if anyone tries to put shame to that. love is one of the rarest pure things still found in this corrupt world, and people should be ashamed for trying to put that down. i dare you to sit down and get to know your public, and have a conversation with a gay, or lesbian, and then tell me if you consider them a disease. if she wants to berid of the hateful and corrupt and ugly world we now live in, she should consider the first step in doing so, by purchasing a one way ticket out of this country.
hannah ,
it is horrible that someone would speak like this to a certain group of people. Sure she has the freedom to do so but it hurts the many of us who are gay and live loving productive lives. There are days I feel like there are so many people that hate me for who I am, who I was born as. Makes me almost want to give up but I always say things happen for a reason. God has a reason for this all and I know I will not be punished because I am gay. He knows I am a decent human who respects others.
In high school I was bullied terribly and thought “when I get big” it will all end. I am 27 years old – actually 10 years older then you – and I have come to realize that there are still bullies on the playground. I have learned that they never leave but I have become stronger!
Representative Kern was NOT giving a HATE speech, she spoke the TRUTH. No One should be abused because of their sexual orientation but neither should THEIR sexual orientation be PUSHED on other people when it is NOT the NORM. God made Adam and EVE to populate the world, NOT Adam and STEVE. Because of all this permissiveness in America, not just homosexuality – abortion, and other things this country is DYING physically and spiritually. If people read the Bible, they would KNOW the TRUTH of what GOD says and that is IMPORTANT for any nation to keep existing. HE puts up nations and puts them DOWN and America is on the way OUT. We are in DEBT up to our neck, we are being INVADED by Mexico, we have LOST our OWN manufacturing companies and have to depend on other nations for items necessary for our livelihood, our dollar has fallen so much against the Euro and the peso it is unreal and I could go on and on summing up things pointing to the demise of America. SIN is the reason AND departing from the way God wants us to live. Revelation 21 v27 says And there shall in no wise enter into it (heaven) any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb’s book of life.” Romans 26-27 says “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another: men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 says “And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient” and it goes on to name unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness, full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, and malignity, whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, without understanding, convenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable unmerciful etc. It depends on whether you believe the BIBLE or not how you feel about homosexuality. We all need to PRAY for God to have mercy on this nation and ALL its people.
Dora what you are saying is that sin caused companies to leave the U.S. and the dollar become weak against the Euro? The only sin that caused it was lying, greedy politicians not because I love another man and I am in a monogomous 5 year relationship. I in no way understand your argument.
Homosexuality has always existed and abortions even before they were legal in this country were performed. Back in the late 1800’s people were gay (they just stayed in a straight relationship and cheated) and abortions took place in private places like peoples homes. America did not fail it was prospering! So your argument that our country is failing because of these things has no ground. The reason why America is failing is becasue of an unnessary war and a greedy government.
And by the way we are in NO WAY FORCING our gayness down anyones throat! Why on earth would we puch people to be gay! Why would anyone want to live a life were the need to fight to love another adult human being! I don’t know I came from a straight family and did not know what gay was until I was 16, 17 so I dont know how I was forced into this. I knew I liked the same sex since I was in 2nd or 3rd grade. Beleive me, with all due respect, you have no idea what you are talking about. I am gay I know how it is to have these feelings so please don’t speak on my behalf. Thanks.
Sally Kern is right. homosexuality is perversion just like incest and bestiality! if we legalize such perversion what does it teach our children? imagine if a kid was walking and saw two men making out and committing such sick acts, what do you think would be going through that poor kid’s head? don’t you think in a way it would traumatize him? people need to open their eyes and wake up. on top of the fact that gays want kids to be taught such sick behavior, they also want to have gay clubs, gay parades, gay marriage, and gay adoption! they are a threat and they need to be stopped! I’m so happy the Arabs hang homosexuals. I would shake hands with everyone that hung gays and tell them what a good job they’ve done. as an American I’m proud to announce that all homosexuals should be hung and burned!
Sally’s words should serve as a rallying cry to fair-minded people everywhere; despite our progress toward a world in which everyone can live their own authentic life unmolested by others, ignorance and fear of the unknown still do exist and still do threaten the well-being of those who are perceived as being different from the majority.
This is not a religious issue, no matter how fervently Sally and her supporters strive to make it one. I have my beliefs and she has hers, and I’m content to meet my Maker at the appointed time and be responsible for the life I have led. I hope Sally shares my confidence when she is called to her own moment of reckoning, and I pray that we all be granted remission of our sins. But that’s all a red herring in the debate over homosexuality: this is about fear and ignorance.
From time immemorial, ignorance has led people to fear, and to fight, those who are different from themselves. The differences can be based on race or gender or social class or religion or a million other things that make us different from each other. Years later, as each of these battles is inevitably won by those who embrace enlightened acceptance of all our brothers and sisters, it is hard for us to imagine how we could ever have believed the things we did. Homosexuality is the current battleground for this ongoing human struggle. Homosexuals, in fact, are one of the last groups against whom blatant discrimination is still countenanced in many places. This is changing, and people like Sally who live in fear, are growing desperate. If not the gays, then whom?
This struggle, like most civil rights struggles before it, will eventually be won, and eventually the Sallys will have nobody left to fear. Then I guess they will have to look inward and ask themselves what is inside of themselves that made them so afraid in the first place.
Jacob (commenter #279) said: “Sally Kern is right. homosexuality is perversion just like incest and bestiality! if we legalize such perversion what does it teach our children? imagine if a kid was walking and saw two men making out and committing such sick acts, what do you think would be going through that poor kid’s head?”
I think the poor kid (assuming that the child was young) would be equally traumatized by seeing a man and woman making out.
As to the rest of what you said, I hope and pray that you some day, you will repent of the evil of posting such hateful threatening statements.
Jacob. I am gay and never was exposed to anything gay. So you tell me how I was “taught” this “so-called perversion.” I think you need to open your eyes and wake up. Being gay is not the same as beastiality. I dont sleep with animals. And its not the same as incest. I don’t sleep with my family. I love another legal aged man. Just to know that you enjoy the fact that gays and lesbians are hung says a lot about your character. As angry and as hurt that makes me I wish you to be a better person and find peace in your life. You have no idea how it is to be gay. One day you will know the truth. Till then find peace in your life. Not hate. Hate kills. Hate is evil. Hate is sadness. Show some respect. I respect your right to say what you feel. But I in know way agree because I know your speaking out of ignorance.
Jacob, little children think love is love. They don’t hate or discriminate or cause pain and sadness just because of what they think is stated in the bible, or said by ignorant homophobes like you. What is happening in our society right now is similar to what happened to african americans a hundred years ago: they were shunned because of something they could not change:the color of their skin. our love is something WE cannot change.
Jacob, do you agree that was wrong to be racist to blacks?
Being anti-gay is the same, and in 100 years I’m guessing Arabs will be profusely apologizing for their treatment towards gays, just like we have done for our Native Americans and African American slaves, and how Australians have done for their aboriginal people.
I am bi-sexual, and because of people like you and Sally Kerns I am still a closet gay.
You have the right to your opinion, and I respect that, but please except that we feel affection in the exact same way you do towards your girlfriend, the only difference being that no one will ever want to hang you for your love.
“OK – you should have rights – but do we need to hear about it everywhere? And must others be attacked at every turn? Your screams for tolerance are creating a whole NEW intolerance…toward anyone who doesn’t agree with you.” I’m sorry if I say anything really bad, but it’s statements like these that make me really mad, angry, frustrated, irritated, and enraged. You act like there are people and there are gay people, like heterosexuality is the default. You constantly pressure people into being straight. My parents did that, and I hated it. But now you’re complaining because you don’t like how the world is without that pressure. You’re assuming that you’re children are heterosexual. You don’t have to hate LGBTQ people to be prejudiced against us(By the way, I love people, not genders) It’s called heterosexism when you assume that they’re attracted to the opposite sex. When you assume, it makes an ass out of u and me.
“Studies show, no society that has totally embraced homosexuality has lasted for more than, you know, a few decades. . .”
What studies? I’m sure there are no such studies. Actually, I sure there was never such a society.
You’re sexual preference is your business. Your immorality is society’s business. Straight or gay, promiscuitiy is weakening America. Hat’s off to Rep Kern for addressing this topic.
I don’t know for a fact that the following story is true, but regardless, the final quote is just about the best thing that I have ever read. There should be a giant sign with this quote posted in every legislative meeting room in the country. Professor Jamie Raskin is truly my hero.
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On Wednesday, March 1, 2006, in Annapolis at a hearing on the proposed Constitutional Amendment to prohibit gay marriage, Jamie Raskin, professor of law at AU, was requested to testify.
At the end of his testimony, Republican Senator Nancy Jacobs said: “Mr. Raskin, my Bible says marriage is only between a man and a woman. What do you have to say about that?”
Raskin replied: “Senator, when you took your oath of office, you placed your hand on the Bible and swore to uphold the Constitution. You did not place your hand on the Constitution and swear to uphold the Bible.”
The room erupted into applause.
It’s amazing how hateful some “peace loving” and “tolerant” people can become when they are not accepted by others.
Let’s reason for a moment. It is self evident that all humans are the product of a HETEROSEXUAL event – male sperm fecundating a female egg. It is also self evident that humanity would not exist if HETERSEXUAL behavior had not been the “Norm” throughout history.
Think it out Gay and Lesbian friends, it doesn’t take “Studies” to prove what the Representative is saying in principal. I know it hurts when we are singled out for being different, not “normal” but the fact is, social and behavioral “norms” are what eventually determine the success or failure of populations, whether it be ants, honey bees, salmon, lions or humans.
Jesus teaches us to love one another as brothers and sisters. Jesus also tells us we have ALL sinned and fall short of the glory of God. None of us, not heterosexual, not bi-sexual, not gay or lesbian are free of sin. We all must call upon Jesus for forgiveness and salvation and then seek to follow his teachings to love one another.
So, LGBT community, ease up a bit, we (heterosexuals) don’t hate you, BUT we also don’t want you to continue to try and convince us that your sexual preference is the “Norm”. All living creatures (with very few and rare exceptions) are living proof that HETERO
is the “NORMAL” way of life. We accept you as you are. Your challenge is to accept yourselves and stop promoting your way of life as “Normal” for society as a whole.
Respectfully
…and she has probably deluded herself into thinking that God will judge her words!
Fantastic! I’m supporting her truthful words. Homosexuals: God loves you because He created you. He is the moral standard. He has said Homosexuality is a sin. Therefore, according to His words it is an “abomination”. Those who love you want to see you live in heaven forever with God, not in hell forever in pain and agony. Those who hate you will tell you words which simply are not true. They will tell you lies to make you feel good. However, the same God Who said stealing, lyeing and adultry are sins also said homosexualtiy is a sin. He has made a away for you to come back to him, and that way is Jesus. You can live in sin here for 50-75 years and live forever in hell, or you can repent (Luke 13:3) and return to God and become a Christian and live with His joy now and forever. Your choice.
I once heard a young girl say that homosexuals should have no rights, because we do not reproduce, and therefore we don’t contribute to society. Do we really need to reproduce that much? There are nearly 7 billion humans on Earth. Considering our physical size and how quickly we reproduce, that’s amazingly high. In fact, it would do us good if our population decreased, according to some theories about the continuation of current species. Also, the bible says to love those you would hate, but also says to hate homosexuals. That is why I don’t use it as a reliable source of information.
I’ll sum this up in 5 extremely simple words this country was founded on. Separation of Church and State. It really is that simple. Morality and ethics live in two completely separate realms and Representative Kern has clearly crossed this line.
Despite race, creed, religion, or sexual preference if you are a citizen of this country you are entitled to the same rights as everyone else. It’s sad that this kind of bigotry is going on, and even more sad that Rep. Kern was elected to her position.
Good for her, I’m glad someone is standing up in the middle of this mess. I wish I could shake her hand and thank her myself on the spot, every single thing she said was true. The homosexual agenda is to spread their filthy doctrine to reach our children to de-sensitize them about nasty homosexuals.
I dare one of you to say I’m judging because I am you know why, Matt. 7:1-5 shows us that Jesus isn’t telling us not to judge he’s telling us how to judge, but since you’re such bright individuals go read it for yourself.
All of you leaving negative comments about her, please tell me what good homosexuality has done for the world. You jellyback new world people.
People today have no backbone anymore I swear.
God bless that woman, the bible condemns homosexuality because it’s sick. Did you know that God not only hates it, but it makes him sick to his stomach.
You don’t even need a bible to know that two big hairy stank men kissing is absolutely disgusting. I don’t hate them, I just will not support their ways, period. God is a fair God and wouldn’t have made men to cleave to women and vice versa if he didn’t make the parts we have on us, two men can’t reproduce, two women can’t reproduce it’s very simple people.
A socket cannot work with another socket, two plugs cannot work together, but when you connect a plug into a socket you have something that works. Very simple isn’t it.
Hey Andre,
God doesn’t have a stomach, so I doubt his stomach gets sick over homosexuality.
And God made homosexuals too.
James
Hey jmb, you must not read the Bible.
God did not make homosexuals Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 both say homosexuality is a sin, an abomination, and partakers shall surely be put to death. You sure God made homosexuals, he’s a fair God, why do you think we have the organs we have. Why is it that the animal kingdom Got it but homosexuals don’t.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 also says that abusers of themselves with mankind (homosexuals) will not inherit the kingdom of God.
It’s plain as day all over the Bible that homosexuality is rejected by God, he destroyed Sadam and Gamoore (spelling) becuase the whole city was infected with homosexuality.
Andre,
I’ve read the Bible from cover-to-cover, Genesis-Revelation during an 18 month period of time a few years back.
If you have the courage to rethink your prejudices, I double-dog dare you to read this….
http://www.soulforce.org/article/homosexuality-bible
What the Bible says, and doesn’t say, about homosexuality
JMB,
You cannot change the fact that Leviticus 18:22 says Thou shalt “not” lay with mankind as with womankind: it is an abomination. Thats common sense and and straight as an arrow easy to comprehend. saying that scripture means something else is complete twisting of Gods word, peace.
A memo to those espousing religious scripture,
In the United States of America, religion of any kind is an option—not a requirement.
Having said, what is certainly worse than Sally Kern occupying her political position is that of the Oklahoma residents who voted her in office.
She is their problem.
—D
I do not see hate in Sally Kern’s comments. She is stating fact.
If truth offends you consider relocating to a country where homosexuals are welcome.
I dont mean to hurt anyone’s feelings but homosexual lifestyles lead to death.
They can not reproduce, there is no lineage, no offspring, no heritage, no children hence no grandchildren. These are the facts. Who in their right mind would pursue such a deadly future?
God is pro life, pro family, pro blessings, pro children, etc.
She sounds exactly like Hitler and his speeches caused the death of millions of Jews. She may be just another Hitler in sheep’s clothing and certainly not a real American. I would not be surprised to learn she is a member of the KKK or the Neo_Nazis as that is the kind of speech they spread. If this is what Republicans believe in McCain will be defeated in November because real Americans would never support any party that spreads Hitler speech. I believe if America falls it will be because of the Republican Party and its leaders like Sally Kern. Homosexuality is as normal as being born black or white. And there is no place in the Bible that condemns homosexuality as that is just an excuse by people like Sally Kern to blame it on a book than her own bigot beliefs. And I always thought the people of Oklahoma were more intelligent than this, but I see now I was wrong. I’ll make sure never to go visit that state or buy anything made there. If this is the case Oklahoma must be worse than any state in the union to put people like her in office. But now I am sure I won’t vote for McCain as I and my wife were, but Obama will get our vote and everyone in our family.I just ran across this site looking for something else and was surprised about the Republican’s stand on supporting hate crimes in America.
Well, this is carefully selecting quotes, as opposed to seeing the whole of what she said.
Labeling people as cancer is… a bit much, true. But, let’s face it, pro-homosexual agenda isn’t very unbiased, nor is it without a (largely) propaganda method for getting it’s agenda out there.
In any case, I think the bigger threat concerning American teenagers – or society in general – is promiscuity, as well as pre-marital sex. These are the things which are making people’s hearts indifferent to marriage, family, stability, etc.
She didn’t say that God hates the people, she said that God hates the sin. If He hated the people then He wouldn’t have made us in the first place. God does not and cannot associate with sin, He hates it. But He loves the people and has grace. However, there are consequences for sinners who do not repent.
I agree with Mrs. Kern. The feminist and homsexual movements if allowed to continue unchecked, will bring about the destruction of the country. I see their present targets being the U.S.military, the family, and the christian church. No great country of the past has survived the plunge into perversion and immorality and remained a great country. However know this, christian with God’s protection will survive.
This woman embodies the cunning nature of hatred and the true identity of evil. She would, and make no mistake about it, have the rights of certain individuals removed. Which individuals? Exactly! She is judge and jury and in a lesser government, a monstrous dictator. Actually, on a more humorous note, she looks and sounds like that woman in Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix. What’s her name? Mrs. Umbridge? What a perfect likeness, god help us.
Rep. Kerns and her husband is absolutely right. We need to stamp out homosexuality indefinately. People’s bodies were designed for reproduction purposes under GOD’s standards because GOD created humans. God finds homosexuality detestable.
Homoesexuals are spreading like a disease, the same as hatred. Then, their desires are masked: First they wanted their rights. Okay, we gave them that. Asking for Gay Rights was only a mask for the intention to ask for Gay Marriage. So they vote Pres. Elect Obama into office in the hopes of getting what they want. They don’t even know who stupid that was. Obama was never for gay marriage. Now they are upset about Rick Warren to speak at the inaguration. Warren and Obama share the same views. Where’s the confusion here??
Homosexuals are sick and should be put into mandatory treatment centers. Nothing scarry about it. Find out what causes people to be gay and get treatment for it so they can join the majority that is straight. They don’t have to live as God wants them to live but at least be normal. I don’t believe gay people want to be gay, plain and simple. Who would? I think Kerns speech was dead on.
Gee, it’s almost as if Sally Kern knew what she was talking about. Check this out, from the Mail: Teach the pleasure of gay sex to children as young as five, say researchers.
You “progressives” must be so proud!
This lady can not be impeached, as you have suggested, because she is perfectly within her rights to say those things and isn’t breaking any law.
That being said, this spech is ignorant and hateful and I can’t believe that there isn’t more outrage about this horrible speech. There really should be no place for this kind of ignorance among lawmakers. I, for one, will be appaulled if she is reelected. I look to the people of Oklahoma to exercise their rights as voters and kick this bitch out of office!!
Some comments supporting Kern literally made me shiver. Mandatory medical camps for gays? I dare you to enter my home and try to take me from my family. I am 72, and I am a gay man. I have led a prosperous, successful life. In this overpopulated world that we live in, I am a law-abiding, loving citizen who doesn’t share your orientation.
Believe it or not, fundies, but your deity doesn’t rule our country. Kern can say whatever she wants, but she is a public official who is comparing my private life to terrorism, potentially inciting violence against me. I am not cramming my life down your throat — but you’re cramming your religion down mine.
To oblivion with all of you.
People like Kern and beliefs like hers are a big part of the reason that so many talented, intelligent people who could make a great contribution to the state of Oklahoma leave it as soon as they get their high school or college diploma. Who wants to live in a state where you get represented like this?